BMWCCA to recognize SpecE30

#1

The rules proposal for 2007 BMWCCA club racing were published today and it looks like they will be recognizing SpecE30 as a class. This is fantastic news! Great job by all involved in advancing this! Also in the works is a SpecE36 class.

#2

The SpecE36 rules read like someone was looking at the SE30 rules when they wrote them. I bet that series will take off as the E36 prices are falling.

#3

I just glanced-over the proposed BMW CCA rules. Yes, they recognize the Spec E30 class but allow any tire, from what I saw. I was told that they don’t want to offend Tire Rack by requiring a spec tire that Tire Rack doesn’t offer - our Toyo, although I would think most Spec E30 racers will use their Toyos when racing with 'CCA. I know I will.

I also saw that they have proposed a Spec E36 class and that they trademarked the Spec E36 name. I guess Mike and I should do the same with Spec E30…

Again, after just glancing at the rules, they allow aluminum flywheels (are they afraid the drivers will cheat if the alum isn’t allowed) and the M3 Alum front lower control arms…which are more expensive and do nothing but raise the cost of building the car.

Regardless, I am regularly asked about a future Spec E36 class and I’m glad to see that 'CCA is doing it. I applaud BMW CCA Club Racing for creating Spec E36 and I hope it’s as sucessful as Spec E30.

Carter

#4

the new CR rules do provide consideration for the SE30 cars, but I don’t see the real benefit. It appears you still have to run in KP with your label being E30/KP.
KP allows engine mods and cars are 51 lbs lighter. Maybe I’m misreading something and the intention is to have a separate SE30 class/points.

Carter, will there be a National Spec e30 points system such that running in a CR spec e30 race would count that same as running in a NASA SE30 race?

And for the uninitiated, it is not surprising that the Spec E36 rules look like Spec E30 rules, because Mike Mills is on the BMW CR rules committee.
cheers,
bruce

#5

Hate to be a newb, but where are the 2007 CCA rules proposals posted?

Never mind, found them here at
http://www.bmwccaclubracing.com/static/07ruledraftv094.pdf

for the benefit of anybody else who’s looking for them.

Post edited by: ctbimmer, at: 2006/08/16 05:22

#6

Carter wrote:

[quote]
Again, after just glancing at the rules, they allow aluminum flywheels (are they afraid the drivers will cheat if the alum isn’t allowed) and the M3 Alum front lower control arms…which are more expensive and do nothing but raise the cost of building the car.
Carter[/quote]
There is rumor that the M3 control arms have a different ball joint with a hardened stud. Now I have seen with my own eyes, a broken ball joint stud on one of the Alum CA’s.

#7

Kewl!
My final resistance to being a BMWCCA member has been removed. :slight_smile:
Hooray, more track time!

#8

I honestly could care less if BMWCCA recognizes Spec e30. Where were they when this whole thing first started. they had their chance then and snubbed you guys. Its cool to have another option out there as far as more track time but I would rather show loyalty to NASA since they stepped up from the get go.

#9

Tremendous News!!! Both spec e30 and spec e36 will be so popular. For all of us it provides more track time and a chance to race some very skillful drivers. I’m hoping that Hinkley, Casagrande,Billy Jack and others will come back to CCA and race with us and we’ll cross over to race with them. Regards, Robert Patton

#10

regarding what is the benefit of the E30/KP consideration for spec e30 cars in BMW CR, I have heard that there are actually at least three things that would technically put a Spec E30 car in Modified. Today’s class exercise is to name those items …
cheers,
bruce

leggwork wrote:

[quote]the new CR rules do provide consideration for the SE30 cars, but I don’t see the real benefit. It appears you still have to run in KP with your label being E30/KP.
KP allows engine mods and cars are 51 lbs lighter. Maybe I’m misreading something and the intention is to have a separate SE30 class/points.

Carter, will there be a National Spec e30 points system such that running in a CR spec e30 race would count that same as running in a NASA SE30 race?

cheers,
bruce[/quote]

Post edited by: leggwork, at: 2006/08/16 11:55

#11

Oh my gosh, I have been waiting for news like this for a YEAR!!! I am so excited now! I know there will be little technicalities to work through, but this is fantastic for those of us who split our time equally between NASA and BMWCCA!!!
It is also a testament to the integrity of the class you have created with SpecE30!

#12

Bruce, no guesses here as I was under the impression that we were within the KP rules and that because of no engine mods or fancy 4:10 diffs, we were on the slow end of the KP grid. Stumped in Atlanta, Robert Patton

#13

nasaregistrar wrote:[quote]There is rumor that the M3 control arms have a different ball joint with a hardened stud. Now I have seen with my own eyes, a broken ball joint stud on one of the Alum CA’s.[/quote]
I don’t think it’s rumor. There was a metallurgy analysis done on the two different parts to compare the Aluminum (late E30 M3) vs steel ("regular") control arms. The "pin" that comes out of the joint was indeed determined to have a significantly higher "hardness". This analysis is posted on the Internet somewhere in the E30 M3 community (I don’t have it bookmarked).

#14

I read the rules today and was just talking to Al this weekend about finding me an E30 for Spec E30. Still trying to figure out if converting my ITS E30 or getting a whole new car would be easier. Anyway, Adjustable Fuel pressure regulators are not legal in prepared as well as maybe some of the control arm bushings you allow though not sure. Can’t think of the other one.

Michael Osborne
E30 325i
ITS/GTS1/KP

#15

leggwork wrote:

[quote]regarding what is the benefit of the E30/KP consideration for spec e30 cars in BMW CR, I have heard that there are actually at least three things that would technically put a Spec E30 car in Modified. Today’s class exercise is to name those items …
cheers,
bruce

Hmm, that’s a good question. Let’s see

  1. adjustable camber plates
  2. No A/C system
  3. Gutted interior
  4. No Cat
  5. others?

Chuck #401

#16

Sorry to have to ask but what exactly does it mean to say the BMW CCA will recognize Spec E30? Will they be adding the class to their list of classes run at CCA events? I guess I need to take time to read the new rules.

Also, the addition of Spec E36 sounds exciting but it most likely will take some potential people that were considering building SE30 cars.

#17

Well it looks like i’m gonna have to take my e36 325is off the road and get my boss to weld a cage in!

#18

Bruce, boring day at work. Were a spec e30 owner choose to install a fuel pressure regulator, fuel cell or accusump system on their spec e30 car it would put them into the modified class? Right answer? Close? Hello Mike Osborne! Come on over and do some NASA events with the spec e30 crowd. Regards, Robert Patton

#19

I was going to sit down tonight and go through the two rule sets to figure this out myself. I thought I had done it to make sure my car could cross over to KP but I can’t find those notes right now. I’m pretty sure an Adj. FPR is one of them. Ability to remove the Power Steering may be another (not allowed in ITS either).
cheers,
bruce

Patton wrote:

#20

at this point, it does not appear se30 would have its own class. We would run as E30/KP - I don’t know if that will show up on the T&S results or not such that we could "manually" separate ourselves from the KP group.
cheers,
bruce

screwynewy wrote:

[quote]Sorry to have to ask but what exactly does it mean to say the BMW CCA will recognize Spec E30? Will they be adding the class to their list of classes run at CCA events? I guess I need to take time to read the new rules.

Also, the addition of Spec E36 sounds exciting but it most likely will take some potential people that were considering building SE30 cars.[/quote]