2008 Rules v10, Jan 22 comparison to 2007

#1

attached is an unofficial comparison of the latest 2008 Regulations (Jan 22, v10) to the 2007 rules.
It has been updated with the spec exhaust rules details and a few other corrections.
bruce [file name=Spec_E30_Rules_2008_v10_vs_2007.pdf size=84850]http://spece30.com/media/kunena/attachments/legacy/files/Spec_E30_Rules_2008_v10_vs_2007.pdf[/file]

#2

The tin tops are OK now.

9.3.13.25.1. The panel shall (3.1) be flush with the roofline and of the same material as original (3.3). A
thin and completely flat sheet that is secured to the stock roof is acceptable.

#3

Teufelauto wrote:

[quote]The tin tops are OK now.

9.3.13.25.1. The panel shall (3.1) be flush with the roofline and of the same material as original (3.3). A
thin and completely flat sheet that is secured to the stock roof is acceptable.[/quote]

Ok I am confused and want to make sure I get this right before leaving to get the cage in. I was told I could just tack weld the stock sunroof panel into place. Is this true, I want to make sure I don’t do it wrong and have to do it twice:lol:

#4

lt1_man wrote:

What you’ve been told is the ideal solution. :slight_smile:

#5

Great, I just wanted to make sure to do it right the first time.
-Thanks Brandon

#6

9.3.8.8. An unmodified non-adjustable front anti-roll bar, measuring 22mm and an unmodified
adjustable rear anti-roll bar, measuring 19mm, are required.

Does that mean the Racing Dynamic bars are illegal now because you have to weld them up to make them non-adjustable?

#7

Welding closed additional holes, where they exist, has always been acceptable to make a front bar non-adjustable, as this does not affect the operating characteristics of the bar.

#8

DriverGT5 wrote:

[quote]9.3.8.8. An unmodified non-adjustable front anti-roll bar, measuring 22mm and an unmodified
adjustable rear anti-roll bar, measuring 19mm, are required.

Does that mean the Racing Dynamic bars are illegal now because you have to weld them up to make them non-adjustable?[/quote]

I read this change to mean that the RD bars are no longer legal. Welding closed holes is modifying the bar. I was running RD bars for what it’s worth.

Costs to comply with rules (including tires) by this Summer is easily exceeding 1k.

-Vic

#9

Official Spec E30 decals shall be required at some time. The cost will be kept to a minimum and
competitors will be given sufficient lead time to become compliant

I hope the patch guy isn’t making these as well…

#10

IndyJim wrote:

[quote]Official Spec E30 decals shall be required at some time. The cost will be kept to a minimum and
competitors will be given sufficient lead time to become compliant

I hope the patch guy isn’t making these as well…[/quote]

[color=#825900][size=4]Back off the patch guy![/size][/color] :angry:

#11

Sorry I know he has been really busy lately working on other stuff. I’m sure it will sort itself out now that we’re almost in Feb.

#12

Rollbar gate 2008.

For guys with existing cars, my experience says to be careful what you ask for. Do you really want to press for an answer in public? I seriously doubt that an existing racer would protest.If so, we would have seen it prior to Rollbar Gate 2008.We all know who is fast and how they got there. It is not their rollbar.

For guys with new cars to build the answer is clear:follow the rules.

For guys that want to bench race and complain that the old “welded-up” guys have some kind of great advantage—two things to consider(1) there are not that many welded front bars on existing cars, (2)the advantage that the older racer really has is seat time–not his welded bar.

By the way, I do not have a welded bar.Oooh, and I’m not real fast. Maybe I should be mad. (Just kidding.)

Regards, Robert Patton

#13

New rule 9.3.8.15 Skid Plate

In stock at Factory 3 Performance.678-358-5732. Price,$39.50 which includes mounting hardware and instructions. Does it work? Ask Chuck about the hole in his oil pan(he did not have one). Ask Laura about her dented skid plate that we took off and rebent back into position.

Racers you’ll want to have skid plate protection.

Regards, Robert (ask me how I know)Patton

P.S. Chuck also has 9.3.13.30 window film in stock. We tested this NASCAR-type film last season and it lasted the whole year. I peeled it off this winter to reveal the beautiful new window glass that I put in prior to last season. Save for the edges of the glass, it still looks new.I’ll refilm it for 2008 season and save having to buy new windshields because of pitting.It may offer a bit of crack protection, but I’m sure Chuck’s not marketing the film as having that kind of benefit

#14

Patton wrote:

[quote]Rollbar gate 2008.

For guys with existing cars, my experience says to be careful what you ask for. Do you really want to press for an answer in public?

For guys with new cars to build the andswer is clear:follow the rules.

For guys that want to bench race and complain that the old “welded-up” guys have some kind of great advantage—two thimgs to consider(1) there are not that many welded front bars on existing cars, (2)the advantage that the older racer really has is seat time–not his welded bar.

By the way, I do not have a welded bar.

Regards, Robert Patton[/quote]

Thanks for posting Robert - good points as usual. Maybe I should have added the caveat to my post that I’m not complaining. In fact, I think the sway bar rule was a bit of a loophole, which has been partly closed. New guys, listen to Robert! Good story about seat time vs. correct bar setup: Last year, jonny ran a race at VIR w/out a rear bar because he thought it would rain. He ended up second in a big field of heavy hitters.

As far as the cost of 2008 rules compliance - that’s just a statement of fact. Take it as you please.

You can add a rule that says that Vic gets kicked in the nuts before each race, and has to weld a brokeback mountain statue on the hood of his car, and I’ll still be out there having a good time…except for the ball kicking.

-Vic

#15

let’s wait for Carter to weigh in on the bar. I know from an earlier email exchange where I brought this up that he doesn’t intend to make the RD and IE (with 3 holes) illegal.
BTW, anybody can email Carter for a clarification. Doesn’t have to be me…
bruce

victorhall wrote:

[quote]DriverGT5 wrote:

[quote]9.3.8.8. An unmodified non-adjustable front anti-roll bar, measuring 22mm and an unmodified
adjustable rear anti-roll bar, measuring 19mm, are required.

Does that mean the Racing Dynamic bars are illegal now because you have to weld them up to make them non-adjustable?[/quote]

I read this change to mean that the RD bars are no longer legal. Welding closed holes is modifying the bar. I was running RD bars for what it’s worth.

Costs to comply with rules (including tires) by this Summer is easily exceeding 1k.

-Vic[/quote]

#16

victorhall wrote:[quote]
You can add a rule that says that Vic gets kicked in the nuts before each race, and has to weld a brokeback mountain statue on the hood of his car, and I’ll still be out there having a good time…except for the ball kicking.

-Vic[/quote]

ooohhh, bad karma talking about brokeback mountain when Heath Ledger just mysteriously died… :unsure:

#17

Travis ran 90% of his races without a rear bar too.

And if I’m not mistaken… he had a number of top 5 finishes.

As for the rest of these changes… I’m just going to bite my tongue :angry:

#18

Scottmc, don’t bite your tounge, there are some really positive changes/clarifications in the 2008 rules. Look at the following:

9.3.8.2.1 Camber front is speced at3.5 max
9.3.8.2.2 Ditto rear
9.3.8.1 Fixed camber mounts are okay
9.3.10.10 Guide pins are okay
9.3.13.30 Window film is okay
9.3.8.15 Skid plates are okay

Although it may be hard to believe after my exuberant position on Exhaust Gate 2007, I’m going to look for the good stuff in '08.

So far,so good(literally).

Now, pick up the phone and call Chuck Taylor at Factory 3 and get youself a skid plate and some window shield film.

Regards, Robert Patton

#19

Thanks for the tip on the windshield protection Robert. I cracked three windshields last season so I’ll definitely utilize that on the new glass.

Steven

#20

fron’t sway bar question:

if you are allowed to run any 22mm front sway bar, why does it have to be non-adjustable?

what’s going to stop someone from having a variety of 22mm front bars to test/use OR several RD bars with different hole configurations welded up so each one is “non-adjustable” yet each one has a different stiffness? what does this rule really accomplish?

why allow adjustable rear bars but not adjustable front bars?

why not spec out the front and rear bars so everyone has the same (spec) bars?

just trying to get a grasp on the logic of the rule…