VIR Report: The death of engine 6?


#1

My first trip to VIR. What a great track! Very challenging, decent run-off room, and just great fun. I can see why everyone speaks so highly of it. It was also interesting to see how a different NASA region runs an event.

Had a long drive up there. Freeway construction added 4hrs to the roadtrip Thur night so 7hrs turned into 11 and I didn’t pull into VIR until after 01 Thur night. 11hrs? For god’s sakes I could probably make it to mid-Ohio in 11hrs.

Tom Hall went out with me for my first session and that helped me a lot. Later in the day I did a couple laps with Cobetto driving his E30 DD. Man is Cobetto fast.

Saturday morning had a crisis. About halfway thru a session the motor started missing, seemed to get over it, then missed a bit and died. I was thinking “this can’t be happening. I can’t possibly lose another engine”. But the symptoms struck me as gas or spark, so I was optimistic that I’d be able to figure out the problem.

After I got towed back to the paddock I poked around a bit and noticed that the gas lines to/from the rail seemed too soft. They should be fairly hard because of residual pressure. “Can I be out of fuel?”

The car only ran 4 laps at CMP in Feb so it’s tank should have been full when I got to VIR. And I didn’t really get that much time on the track on Friday so I figured I should have almost 1/2 a tank. My gas gauge can’t be trusted so I’ve always just put gas in once it started hiccuping, or after a hard hour, whichever comes first.

I put in more gas and it fired right up. “WTF, over”. And then I realized that I’d not accounted for all the engine running I’d done in my garage. First troubleshooting the failed motor, then troubleshooting the spare, and finally running the spare around to make sure everything was ok. I’d simply run out of gas. Idiot.

My next session was the last Saturday session. It was the shortest session ever attempted. We started our 25min session 10min late, went out on our first lap behind a pace car, and then ended the session 10min early. I think that I got in 2 good laps.

Sunday morning I finally got in a good dry session and I started getting more comfortable on the track. At that point I started thinking “I could race here”.

Which is when disaster struck.

In my second Sunday session my oil pressure warning lights, which under low-light conditions will burn your retinas right out of your skull, flared on like aircraft landing lights. “HOLY SHIT” I exclaimed and my eyes were wide as saucers. I did a quick check of my OP gauge and it was at 0psi. I shifted to neutral and fearing that I was pouring out oil I headed for the grass. As soon as I was off track I turned off the engine. I figure that it took me 2 seconds to get from stunned disbelief to neutral, and then 3 more seconds to get the car turned off.

I got towed in again. A quick inspection didn’t show any obvious problems so I was thinking that maybe my oil pump died. I talked to Jim Levie and he suggested a failed oil filter as another possible cause. Jim also said that it’s likely that I caught the OP loss fast enough that I didn’t toast bearings so he told me that maybe I shouldn’t immed replace the bottom end, which was the plan I was putting together. Maybe I should just fix the problem and then see what OP I get.

Obviously oil pumps get replaced when engines are rebuilt, but I’ve not actually heard of one failing before. I ain’t blaming this one on me just yet. We’ll have to see what the problem turns out to be, but I didn’t remove the oil pan on the spare so it’s not like I failed to threadlock the oil pump bolts. And the oil filter is a Mobil1, as I recall, not some POS.


#2

I look forward to the update.


#3

This reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchausen_syndrome, but I think in Ranger’s case it is Munichausen syndrome by proxy… Those poor cars…:ohmy:

If you were Hindu, I’d just assume you did something really, really, really bad in a previous life. :laugh:

This was the spare, not Chuck’s motor, right?


#4

So sorry to hear this story (again) :frowning:

You are to motors what Kelly was to clutches.

You may want to ask him what he did to break the curse? But… if I had to guess, I’d say you over-torqued everything B)


#5

Steve D wrote:

[quote]
This was the spare, not Chuck’s motor, right?[/quote] Spare with a refreshed head. It’ll be ok, everything can be overcome. Even if I have to scare up another bottom end I could probably get everything I needed and do it this weekend.

I’ll figure out what the problem is, fix it and see what the oil pressure is. If it’s low i’ll scare up a bottom end and swap them out. It’s a path well trodden.

Is “trodden” a word?

At some point my serial failures are going to end and it will be someone else’s turn.


#6

Maybe it is time to get out of the SPEC E30 ranks and make a positive move to 944-SPEC. In fact, I happen to know of someone that might trade you a fine running 944 for your blown motor’d E30. :wink:


#7

i can’t believe i’m reading this… waiting for updates.


#8

I think it is time to sacrifice a live chicken, do a rain dance and visit with a Voodoo Doctor.


#9

Peakracer.com wrote:

i’d agree except, he’s already tried all that :slight_smile:


#10

Peakracer.com wrote:

He ot to do all of that. Voodoo Doctors arent no good. I’ve tried em b4. I also suggest a virgin chicken for best results. But most of all Mr Ranger should look into a new engine builder :woohoo:


#11

TeddyM3 wrote:

[quote]Peakracer.com wrote:

He ot to do all of that. Voodoo Doctors arent no good. I’ve tried em b4. I also suggest a virgin chicken for best results. But most of all Mr Ranger should look into a new engine builder :woohoo:[/quote]

It’s been a while since I’ve sacrificed a virgin, but the idea does have a certain charm to it.


#12

Well you better hurry Jones is going to be married soon.


#13

Very odd. Here’s what I found. I can’t come up with a theory that fits the symptoms, so I throw the issue open for debate.

I pulled the oil pump shaft access plug off and put a power drill on it. To my surprise the oil pump seemed to pump oil just fine.

So I turned the crankshaft a bit and I could see that the tbelt is turning the oil pump gears.

I went key-on and according the the OP gauge the drill was providing 30psi. So I started the car and the OP seemed reasonable. I drove around the block, then ran the car at 3krpm for a while until the oil temp got up to 180deg. Then I rev’d it up to 4krpm and got around 45psi.

The only thing that fits the symptoms is the oil pump gears weren’t meshing. It’s the oil pump shaft access plug that holds them together. And when I got into the gears to test the pump, I unwittingly popped the gears back into place. But the plug was fastened on tight so I don’t think that the gears could have moved apart from each other. Therefore the oil pump gear theory really doesn’t fly, so I’ve no theory that works.


#14

The only thing that I can offer at this point is a problem with the oil pressure regulator. If it stuck open the pressure in the gallery would go to zero, or close to zero.


#15

I agree with Jim…to a point. If the oil pump is turning, it is pumping…period. If the bypass valve is bad/open, you have no oil going to the bearings…only recirculates to the pan. That can also be caused by a plugged oil filter. Also inspect the OP drive shaft very carefully…I have seen them worn to the point of slipping in the the gear and pump. Dammit man…got to get your motor ready. cB


#16

I worry when problems disappear unexplained. A couple weeks from now I’ll be leaving y’all in my dust and suddenly my 10Kw oil pressure lights will go off again like a red star cluster.


#17

cwbaader wrote:

Can the oil pump shaft be pulled out the access port? I hate taking the oil pan off.


#18

Scott, I have an engine that I would give you on the condition that it remains sealed for twelve solid race months. I can’t take much more of this…:frowning: :frowning:
Or you could simply bathe yourself in blue. Swear it works. B)
BTW my ulterior motive is to motor past you on the track of your choice by next summer :lol: :lol:


#19

Ranger wrote:

one of my friends was behind you when it happened, he commented that he could clearly see your warning light :slight_smile:


#20

Any Chance it is your Oil Pressure sensor/gauge? Some bad wiring/ground? Just my 2 cents