Tie downs


#1

I had found an old thread on here that referenced an older thread about tie downs that covered the pros/cons of wheel vs frame tie downs – but the link provided was with the old forum setup, so it didn’t link to anything.

I don’t mind if no one wants to discuss this if someone can just point me to a thread the covers the two sides.

Otherwise, a couple friends and I had this discussion a few days ago. One was adamant about going to the frame / lower rear shock point. The other friend (and myself) thought transporting the car with the suspension under load could cause extra wear on the car or possibly slowly diminish the effectiveness of the shocks.

The usual arguments were tossed around – the frame tie down points are there from the factory for a reason, wheel tie downs will take your car out of alignment, etc. I don’t think either of us really discussed the crossing vs. not crossing options – it sounds like the common thinking now is to not cross the straps.

I’m curious to hear the arguments for tying to the frame beyond “that’s the way I’ve always done it and never had issues”. Personally, I’d 100% prefer to tie to the frame – it’s much easier than tying straps through the wheels. It just seems to me that the argument of “that’s the way the factory does it” doesn’t, by itself, prove it’s the best way. Cars transported from the factory or even from dealership to dealership are usually done on giant ships or by trucks with multi-car carriers. The transfer of energy from poor road conditions don’t (I believe) transfer nearly as strongly to the car when the car is on a giant carrier as it does when it’s on a single car trailer (which 90% of us are using). Particularly if that carrier is weighed down with several other cars. So if you hit a big big dip going full speed on the freeway, it’s going to result in a more sudden force applied on the car if it’s a single car trailer. If the car’s shocks are already loaded from the tie downs, I would think this would risk more damage.

Many say wheel tie downs do, in fact, affect alignment, while others will argue “no way” because the car “sees more lateral force on the track than what you’re applying via straps”. But ignoring that, for the moment, let’s say wheel tie downs do tweak the alignment. One thing I’m wondering is if the wheel tie down has gotten a bad rep because it’s much easier to correlate the tie down to the change in alignment because it’s easier measure and test – measure alignment, tie down car by wheels, transport, measure alignment, compare.

On the other side, the type of effect a frame tie down might have is not as easy to measure (suspension fatigue, body/tower fatigue, shock dampening capabilities diminished, etc). I mean, face it, if the shock towers starts cracking on these cars, people’s first thoughts aren’t to correlate that to frame tie downs since the towers are known to be weak anyway. And you’re not really going to notice a gradual degradation of dampening.

Anyways… curious to hear the different sides of this or be pointed to a detailed thread about it that covers the angles (I’m sure it’s been done… but most the threads I found were around cross vs. not crossing.

Thanks,

Som


#2

Hi Som,

I always tie down with the frame points - the link below has a write up on how to tie down your race car.

In it they recommend using the frame and mention that shock manufacturers warn of shock wear/damage with the car bouncing on its suspension. Makes sense to me…especially trailering in the truck lane on Interstate 80 (F**king CalTrans :wink: )

http://norcalspece30.com/pdf%20files/traileringinfo.pdf

Hope this helps…

Cheers,
Scott


#3

Thanks Scott!

Yeah, I’d seen that page. But it’s not actually clear (nor does it cite sources) on what kind of non-frame tie downs would potentially damage the suspension. I suspect they’d have to mean in cases where people use components of the suspension to tie the car down, right? Tying the car down by the wheels couldn’t expose the shocks to any more wear than just driving the car on the streets normally, right?

What’s interesting about the last part of that paragraph is it saying not to over-tighten the straps to prevent bottoming out the shock. Bottoming out the shock is specifically what I was concerned about with tying to the frame to begin with.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding how people tie down to the frame? Not that I’d expect to crank down on the ratchets, but if I was attaching my car to a trailer I’d expect to crank down enough to make sure it couldn’t slide around – which I would have thought would have been enough to compress the springs/shocks a bit.

Som


#4

I use axle straps around the rear subframe. Make sure you slide them up against the outer side of the inner trailing arm bearing housing. In the from I use t-hooks (j-hooks would work) in the holes in the frame rails above the subframe. Never had a problem.


#5

Might not be worth obsessing over. I’d just tie down your car however it’s convenient for you and move on.

People told me that a lot years ago. Feels odd to be on the different side of the suggestion.


#6

[quote=“Ranger” post=80601]Might not be worth obsessing over. I’d just tie down your car however it’s convenient for you and move on.

People told me that a lot years ago. Feels odd to be on the different side of the suggestion.[/quote]

:slight_smile: I’ll probably do just that. Might have to change my straps soon anyway… thinking I’ll just get some latched ones and go to the frame. Seems easier to strap the car down than going through 4 wheels every time.

That said, I’m still curious about what the negative impacts to the car might be for going that route.

Also curious how tightly people ratchet down the tie downs when going to the frame. I’m thinking “snug” is enough and I won’t really need to crank down. Is that a fair description?

Som


#7

Strapping to the wheels is one of the easiest solutions, assuming your wheels have gaps between spokes. You’d want dedicated straps that go thru the wheels tho, then your tie-down straps fasten to the wheel straps.

I strap to front wheels. Too hard to get to anything else in front. I would say that “snug” is a reasonable description of how tight my straps are. Maybe loosy-snug. I set my e-brake when the car is strapped down. The e-brake is awfully weak tho.

I’ve read in a couple places that the small bumps fore and aft are tough on the drive-train if you leave your car in gear. Therefore my car is in neutral when it’s in the trailer. I don’t know this as a fact tho, it could be Internet lore for all I know.