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This was the first event for our new bimmer. Mike and I had a blast with spec racing. The car was well mannered, and the racing was very close.
Thanks everyone for the warm welcome, especially Scott and Adam. Thanks for the setup tips, and a special thank to Will for lending us a fuel filler hose.
It was a bummer to see so many cars wrecked this weekend. You guys have plans to rebuild? Sorry I don’t know more names. I only know most of you by car color 
Thanks for a great time this weekend. I am very much looking forward to my first SE30 race. I ran in it in PT, but adam ran out of gas so it was just me and a miata. Looking forward to the next event.
Even though! I had a great weekend and learn more about the art of racing, thanks to all!
Sean thanks for the alignment help, Ron thanks for the oil cooler and Adam the drill.
AJ now we have a closer bondo and a growing friendship, I guess in the future I will just have to stay in front of you, ya right, hope your repairs go well and I’ll see you next month backwards, I mean llihrednuht!
I think my car is repairable but will know the extent tomorrow, I have already scavenged a 87is at Pick and Pull today so my plans are to be running next month.
Best wishes to Ron and Will hope you guys are ok…
Bennett [file name=_HOP9968.jpg size=48140]http://spece30.com/media/kunena/attachments/legacy/files/_HOP9968.jpg[/file]
Hey, what happened on Sunday ??
Did Will have a problem ??
Bennett, did you AJ get together ??
I had a good weekend despite some trials and tribulations. I thought the races were fun at 10 cars, but 16 is even better 
Thanks to everyone who helped out with my blown trailer tire on Sunday night. In particular, T Lo, Mike, Scott N, Glen, Doug, Dan, and Brad. The story goes: I had a tire blow no more than 5 miles from Willows and had no spare (I know, I’m a jackass). With the help of the aforementioned cast I ended up driving on 3 tires to Woodland, where I found a tire shop that’d do an after hours tire mount and balance.
highflyer wrote:
[quote]Hey, what happened on Sunday ??
Did Will have a problem ??
Bennett, did you AJ get together ??[/quote]
Will went off near the end of the race and cracked an oil pan. At tech, Will wasn’t feeling well (I heard he passed out? paddock rumor?). There’s speculation the off caused dangerous exhaust routing. The medic people took care of him, and he was fine later on.
AJ had a tank slapper in the esses, and Bennett had nowhere to go and collected him.
I’m sure someone more informed than me will post corrections 
laz wrote:
Will wasn’t feeling well (I heard he passed out? paddock rumor?).[/quote]
He was behind me in impound. He was rubbing his head, we thought he was mad about his oil pan, till he tried to get out of his car and couldn’t stand. He was taken to the ambulance, but returned later ok. Dehydrated, CO poisoning? I guess he will tell us later.
Great racing everyone, and yeah it was really sad to see the carnage, but glad everyone is okay. It’s always a ton of fun watching the race.
I was able to get my times race-worthy by the end of the day so I’m likely going to be going for my comp-eval and hopefully be out with you guys in June!
Ron and Bennett, glad to hear you guys are getting put back together. It was pretty sketchy sitting there sideways for what seemed like minutes watching cars go by on both sides knowing what was about to happen, but in reality it was just a couple of seconds and I think 2 cars - Scott and Brad. Bennett was racing hard in traffic and from what I could see out my passenger window the traffic in front of him split to go around me and he didn’t have time to react. I had a busy day at work yesterday so I haven’t made any calls, but will start chasing down rebuild stuff today and hope to be back for next month. Thank goodness I got a decent tax return this year because I need tires too
Elephant4 wrote:
Team 101 Main - I forgot the name. Dan, Doug, what was your friend’s name?
Team Brimstone Dynasty - Donny Edwards
Team Point Six Racing - Carl Chiu
Team Super Lock Bros. - Chris Lock
Team Berkeley Motorworks - Gary Rieger
Team Pointsix Racing 1 - Will Faules
Team BTM Motorwerks - Brad McClure
Team SCKNESS - Mike Sekhon?
laz wrote:
[quote]Elephant4 wrote:
Team 101 Main - I forgot the name. Dan, Doug, what was your friend’s name?
Team Brimstone Dynasty - Donny Edwards
Team Point Six Racing - Carl Chiu
Team Super Lock Bros. - Chris Lock
Team Berkeley Motorworks - Gary Rieger
Team Pointsix Racing 1 - Will Faules
Team BTM Motorwerks - Brad McClure
Team SCKNESS - Mike Sekhon?[/quote]
Team 101 Main - the driver’s name is Rick McCormick
Will broke something in the exhaust when he went farming at turn 6. He was overcome by fumes etc and was not doing very well, he could not get out of the car as indicated by this photo.
http://spece30.com/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,94/func,view/id,36044/catid,3/
That is a thread about the spec exhaust cracking, and/or damaging the stock parts. There is a price we all have to pay for safety, this POS spec exhaust is well beyond saving money. A properly designed and fitted system will not fail in an off track excursion. And it is so stupid load you can’t hear if it is cracked.
Very happy to see that will was OK, CO poisoning is more scarey then the roll over.
[i]"http://spece30.com/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,94/func,view/id,36044/catid,3/
That is a thread about the spec exhaust cracking, and/or damaging the stock parts. There is a price we all have to pay for safety, this POS spec exhaust is well beyond saving money. A properly designed and fitted system will not fail in an off track excursion. And it is so stupid load you can’t hear if it is cracked."
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You might want to re-read the thread again. That had nothing to do with the spec exhaust.
rsott59 wrote:
[quote][i]"http://spece30.com/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,94/func,view/id,36044/catid,3/
That is a thread about the spec exhaust cracking, and/or damaging the stock parts. There is a price we all have to pay for safety, this POS spec exhaust is well beyond saving money. A properly designed and fitted system will not fail in an off track excursion. And it is so stupid load you can’t hear if it is cracked."
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You might want to re-read the thread again. That had nothing to do with the spec exhaust.[/quote]
You might want to re-read the thread again. It has everything to do with the spec exhaust.
…a quote from the second post…“You get a new / used one. Several people have had this happen from the spec exhaust hanging low and stressing that portion unduly.”
mikeski38 wrote:
[quote]rsott59 wrote:
[quote][i]"http://spece30.com/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,94/func,view/id,36044/catid,3/
That is a thread about the spec exhaust cracking, and/or damaging the stock parts. There is a price we all have to pay for safety, this POS spec exhaust is well beyond saving money. A properly designed and fitted system will not fail in an off track excursion. And it is so stupid load you can’t hear if it is cracked."
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You might want to re-read the thread again. That had nothing to do with the spec exhaust.[/quote]
You might want to re-read the thread again. It has everything to do with the spec exhaust.
…a quote from the second post…“You get a new / used one. Several people have had this happen from the spec exhaust hanging low and stressing that portion unduly.”[/quote]
The car that Randy87is is talking about did not have the spec exhaust. Jim is referring to others who have had this issue that in his opion was caused by the spec exhaust. It very well may have been, but it equally may not have been due to the spec exhaust. If the down pipe is a week enough link to fail with the stock exhaust - why would the spec exhaust be singled out as the cause now?
rsott59 wrote:
What the other thread is a “about” doesn’t really matter.
What Mike is saying that the e30 exhaust could benefit from a flex joint just aft of the down pipe. He’s justifying this modification by stating it is less prone to cracking the down pipes and causing exhaust problems in front of the driver, and is thus a safer design. He points to an issue that happened at the track here in Norcal last weekend where a driver suffered from CO inhalation after an off (see above).
rsott59 wrote:
[quote]mikeski38 wrote:
[quote]rsott59 wrote:
[quote][i]"http://spece30.com/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,94/func,view/id,36044/catid,3/
That is a thread about the spec exhaust cracking, and/or damaging the stock parts. There is a price we all have to pay for safety, this POS spec exhaust is well beyond saving money. A properly designed and fitted system will not fail in an off track excursion. And it is so stupid load you can’t hear if it is cracked."
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You might want to re-read the thread again. That had nothing to do with the spec exhaust.[/quote]
You might want to re-read the thread again. It has everything to do with the spec exhaust.
…a quote from the second post…“You get a new / used one. Several people have had this happen from the spec exhaust hanging low and stressing that portion unduly.”[/quote]
The car that Randy87is is talking about did not have the spec exhaust. Jim is referring to others who have had this issue that in his opion was caused by the spec exhaust. It very well may have been, but it equally may not have been due to the spec exhaust. If the down pipe is a week enough link to fail with the stock exhaust - why would the spec exhaust be singled out as the cause now?[/quote]
IMHO, a “racecar part”, should be designed better then its OEM counterpart. A stock exhaust system on a street car will likely not be subjected to being drug accross overruns, through ditches, and heavy lateral G loadings that our racecars see. The spec exhaust is without a doubt lesser in design then the stock part. It fits VERY poorly, it removed the most important stock mounting point, and is unnecessarily and obnoxiously load.
Adam is correct, the spec exhaust needs a flexible joint aft of were it is sectioned into the stock down tubes, and it needs the aft transmission mount reinstalled. Of course, none of this is legal in Spec E30 because it will cost some more money. But this is safety we are talking about here guys. We need to do everything we can to build our cars as safe as possible, and CO poisoning is a leading cause of death to racecar drivers. This exhaust system needs to be pulled from the track until it can be redesigned to fix the possiblity of it cracking the down tubes.
I’m not just a guy bitching on the internet. If possible, I would like to be a part of this process in any way possible. These cars are a lot of fun to drive an can be ran competitively on a resonable budget, all great things. But requiring an unsafe part is a liability that I’m sure NASA and the series does not want.
Lets not waste time splitting hairs regarding the exact subject matter of a forum thread, this is now a repeating issue, lets fix it before someone is hurt.
laz wrote:
[quote]rsott59 wrote:
What the other thread is a “about” doesn’t really matter.
What Mike is saying that the e30 exhaust could benefit from a flex joint just aft of the down pipe. He’s justifying this modification by stating it is less prone to cracking the down pipes and causing exhaust problems in front of the driver, and is thus a safer design. He points to an issue that happened at the track here in Norcal last weekend where a driver suffered from CO inhalation after an off (see above).[/quote]
Adam/Mike,
My point was not to “split hairs”. If as you say, Mike was interested in having a reasonable and positive discussion about a potentially dangerous situation he could have stated his concerns as you did instead of “this POS spec exhaust is well beyond saving money…And it is so stupid load you can’t hear if it is cracked.”
I don’t know you Mike. I’m sure you are a great guy and you certainly feel passionate about the situation and that’s great. The exhaust issue experienced by Will is concerning and worthy of review and discussion, but inflammatory posts that shout conjecture will not help solve problems and prevent incidents like Will’s from happening again.
Regards,
Bob
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