Spec 944. Gentlemen racing?


#1

I read the 944 CCR out of curiousity. It looks like those boys are trying to create a racing culture that is PCAish. It never occured to me, for example, that different NASA classes could have different passing rules. Was interesting reading a CCR that reflects the philosophy of a different committee of class organizers.

[i]Passing Rules: Important to remember that the 944 Cup rules for a 944 passing another 944 differ somewhat from the general NASA passing rules.

a. NASA requires that an overtaking car’s front wheel must be up to the driver of the car being overtaken before the overtaking car has a right to be there and must be given
“racing room”. “Racing room” is defined by NASA as at least ¾ of one car width. This rules applied for passing cars in other then the 944 Cup classes.

b. The 944 Cup rules for passing require basically that once a pass is initiated by an overtaking car , i.e. ,a pass as defined by NASA, the overtaking 944 has a right to be there, and that the leading 944 must leave the overtaking 944 racing room on the paved surface. Per NASA, the act of passing is initiated when the overtaking car’s front bumper overlaps with the lead car’s rear bumper. Once this overlap occurs, the overtaking 944
has a right to be there.

In addition to the normal discretion of NASA officials to deal with inappropriate and unsafe conduct during all practice and race sessions, this series will employ a modified “13/13 Rule.” What this means is any driver involved in car to car contact will most likely be subject to a prescribed set of sanctions points accumulated for the year end championship. Accidents will happen in automobile racing. This is can a dangerous sport. The hope is that the modified 13/13 rule will set the tone for good sportsmanship within the series and minimize the danger and
expense involved in racing.

10.2 The Modified 13/13 Process

10.2.1 Conduct Steward
In the 944 Cup, the Director of the series or designee will perform the role of the conduct steward to oversee driver behavior throughout each race weekend. This includes, but is not limited to:

– Monitoring and/or stopping over-aggressive driving, in practice, qualifying and race
sessions. If a driver is viewed as a threat to the safety of other drivers on track, it is
within the rights of the Director to take appropriate sanctions against that driver.

– In the event of car-to-car contact, the Director or designee is responsible for the following: collection of information from all drivers involved, including videos, collection of information from corner workers, where applicable, examination of cars involved in the incident, and reporting of findings to the NASA Race Director.

10.2.3 Car-to-Car Contact
Under the modified 13/13 rule, any incident which results in car damage during practice, qualifying or race sessions will cause the following events to take place:

All drivers involved in car to car contact will be required to report to the Director or designee. Based on the data available, the Director will make a determination which driver(s) is at fault for the incident and any sanctions to be taken against the driver(s). Any driver involved in car-to-car conduct must meet with the steward before returning to the track that day or during the weekend, otherwise the driver shall be presumed to be at fault.

– Contact caused by the mechanical failure of one or more cars. Typically there will be no fault found with any driver involved, and no sanctions will be taken against any driver.

– Minor incidents involving negligible damage such a paint scrapes or tire marks. In wheel to wheel racing, it is inevitable that incidental contact will take place. In these
cases, drivers involved in the incident will not incur any sanctions. The Director or designee will determine if an incident is minor.

– Actionable incidents involving significant damage. Generally, any damage beyond minor incidents involving negligible damage such a paint scrapes or tire marks, will
be consider as an actionable incident
. A driver that is found at fault of significant damage to another race car, will be subject to the sanctions described in Section
2.03.

10.2.4 Driver Sanctions
In the event of actionable incidents involving significant damage, drivers determined to be at fault will be subject to the following sanctions:

�� First incident, the driver will automatically be placed at the rear of the starting grid for
the next race. If more then one driver is involved in a single incident and determined to be at fault, the drivers will be placed in the rear of the field in the order they were
on the track at the time the incident took place.

– Second incident, the driver will be disqualified for that race and points forfeited, or if the incident occurs in practice or qualifying, the driver is disqualified for the next race.

– Third incident, the driver will be suspended from the series for the balance of the season and will forfeit any points earned for that race. Under extreme circumstances, a driver may be subject to more severe penalties should the
seriousness of any incident warrant such actions in the judgment of the Director.[/i]

<note the contrast between these paragraphs and the NASA CCR that says words to the affect of “most side-by-side contact is just a ‘racing incident’”>


#2

Very Interesting…

The give racing room idea is good idea but like any rule is subject to interpretation on a corner by corner basis.

Case in point…just the other day I re-watched a video for the IFU weekend last May. Kelly Childress shot the video and watching it in hindsight, he was clearly faster than I was. But he was having car trouble and so I was able to stay in front of him for many laps. Of course at the time, I did not know he was having car trouble and I thought I was legitamately faster. There was one corner where, from the point of view of his camera, his left front was clearly to my passenger door. I did not see him in my peripheral vision though and I dove for the apex. Fortunately he was astute enough to see this coming and he gave me “racing room”, gave me the corner, and fortunately we avoided contact. Now, had he had the 944 rule in mind he probably would have expected me to give him “racing room”. Who knows what might have happened. At the time, I had no idea I had done anything wrong. After watching the video though, several weeks later, I apologized to Kelly for being such a blocking ass.

The point is, no matter how gentlemanly such a rule is intended to be, the passing driver has responsibility to execute the pass safely.

Don


#3

Wow - I guess it is within our rules to do the same, but that is a scary thing that I need to take into account what I’m being passed by and apply the correct set of rules. Makes a fluid situation (racing) more complex than our KISS rules. I do hear that next year the rules committee is going to allow us to punt any Miata within reach at Roebling turn 11 (that is the “tower” turn at start/finish). :wink:
No offence inteded to our Miata brothers who could be lurking :slight_smile:


#4

donstevens wrote:

[quote]
The point is, no matter how gentlemanly such a rule is intended to be, the passing driver has responsibility to execute the pass safely.

Don[/quote]

I’m agree, but it can be complicated. If a guy gets a nose in, I’ll give him room to try to make it. Heck, I’m just there to have fun. It gets trickier tho when a guy darts his nose in really fast and unexpectedly. I try to predict when a guy is going to try to get his nose in, but it’s the nose-in that you didn’t think that he’d be aggressive enough to try, that creates a problem.

This whole “I just squeezed him a little” idea might be ok among consenting adults, but I’m not one of them. Consenting, that is.


#5

http://www.flatoutracing.net/movies/pass.mpeg


#6

jblack wrote:

[quote] I do hear that next year the rules committee is going to allow us to punt any Miata within reach at Roebling turn 11 (that is the “tower” turn at start/finish). :wink:
No offence inteded to our Miata brothers who could be lurking :)[/quote]

???Roebling only has 9 turns! But that is still funny! :laugh:


#7

just a point of clarification - 944 Cup is not 944 Spec - they are both part of 944 Challenge (or at least used to be). There are a lot more 944 Spec cars around here.
bruce


#8

andrew240z wrote:

Lol, awesome. I’d a been the guy in the 2nd car passed thinking “JEEESUS CHRIST WHERE’D HE COME FROM”?


#9

jblack wrote:

Hey! I’m not lurking! :laugh:

Steve D.


#10

Hey Bucaneer!

Some of us have added a couple turns to the front straight you may not know about. It was a poor attempt at humor - it deals with Ranger’s signature line.


#11

Overall I dont like the idea of having a “special” class that doesnt have to follow the same rules as everyone else because they somehow have higher standards than nasa (porsche owners :angry: ;)). But I do think that some of their ideas are smart.
The idea of giving a full car width is probably smart. I’ve always thought it was questionable to force overtaking drivers to break traction on their inside wheels by putting them into the dirt. It usually works out but it seems like an unneccesary risk especially on outside passes.
The idea of having position when the front and rear bumpers overlap is terrible IMO. I think it is having the opposite effect of what they are trying to accomplish. They want cleaner passes so they are forcing the overtaken driver to leave the door open. But I’d bet it really causes more of a problem with dive bombing because it is so much easier to get position.
The “director” sure has a lot more power than ours. I dont think our guys would approve of that one ;).
If this only applies to one of the several 944 classes, that is another bad idea. I sure cant tell the difference between them all and I’m sure some of the 944 drivers especially new guys or ones visiting from another region have trouble too.

[quote]andrew240z wrote:

http://www.flatoutracing.net/movies/pass.mpeg[/quote]:woohoo:


#12

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think these rules only apply to 944 vs. 944 passing. IOW, the point of bringing it up here is just for discussion. A SE30 would not need to know these rules when passing a 944 (or vice versa).


#13

mskeen wrote:

That’s how I read their rules too. Their CCR is interesting because of the differences. But I don’t know that it really affects us.


#14

Skeen is correct; their rules don’t affect us, because anything involving an out-of-class car (i.e. us) is subject to standard CCR protocol.


#15

Do you guys remember the minor accident I had at Barber last year with a 944? His RR wheel made contact with my LF wheel as he passed on my left while swinging wide to make the apex. He thought I was at fault and I thought he was at fault. Fortunately it was a day I had the video rolling. I was being overtaken on the right side by a Swift and the left by the 944, there was no where to go and I held the wheel straight as a stick. Fortunately Tom reviewed the tape and DQed the 944 for aggressive driving. After reading this rule, I can understand why he thought he was innocent.


#16

allenr wrote:

Only thing worse than those damn Miata drivers. :wink:

Steve D.