Some pre-season work on GRM project Spec E30


#101

Carter wrote:

[quote]robweenerpi wrote:

You can use rear ride height too by changing to alternate thickness spring pads.[/quote]

9.3.8.7.2. Spring pads may be removed.

This one is clear. Spring pads can be removed but it doesn’t say anything about alternate sizes.

Carter[/quote]no way to know which pad came on the car, so it is either spring pads installed or removed…


#102

Carter wrote:

[quote]robweenerpi wrote:

You can use rear ride height too by changing to alternate thickness spring pads.[/quote]

9.3.8.7.2. Spring pads may be removed.

This one is clear. Spring pads can be removed but it doesn’t say anything about alternate sizes.

Carter[/quote]

:huh:


#103

For whatever it’s worth, Brad at Digital Chassis in Durham (whom I respect quite a bit), said the entire spring pad thing is a red herring anyway because under load, any of the pads, no matter the thickness, will squish significantly, undoing any advantage they appear to give when the car is static.

Sasha


#104

Ex36 wrote:

[quote]For whatever it’s worth, Brad at Digital Chassis in Durham (whom I respect quite a bit), said the entire spring pad thing is a red herring anyway because under load, any of the pads, no matter the thickness, will squish significantly, undoing any advantage they appear to give when the car is static.

Sasha[/quote]

Agreed


#105

Certainly they’ll squish some more with the added weight transfer in a corner, but doesn’t having more than 600 pounds resting on them in a static condition constitute being under load? Removing the left ones gave us a significantly better corner weight; sure it’s at rest, but they can’t squish down to nothing, and if a few millimeters makes a difference, I’ll take it.

That’d be an interesting experiment; how much to they compress per hundred pounds?


#106

GRMScott wrote:

Ohhh an experiment! where is Ranger?


#107

Ex36 wrote:

[quote]…the entire spring pad thing is a red herring anyway because under load, any of the pads, no matter the thickness, will squish significantly, undoing any advantage they appear to give when the car is static.

Sasha[/quote]

The question is what the spring rate is for the combined spring-pad-and-spring assembly.

The springs, too, will squish significantly but I plan on leaving those on the car.:wink:

Steve D.


#108

Peakracer.com wrote:

[quote]GRMScott wrote:

Ohhh an experiment! where is Ranger?[/quote]

Lol, like I need help creating more chaos.

But off the top of my head…

Elastomer length/thickness behavior under reasonable compression isn’t too far from linear, just like a basic spring. So it’s reasonable to assume that a 2mm pad compresses around half as much as a 4mm pad under the same load. A simplification, but good enough for our purposes.

Figuring out how much to change height to acheive a given change in corner weights is HS physics. So the easy solution is to just find a “corner weight calculator” that someone else has already put together. Like:

http://www.robrobinette.com/how_to_misc2.htm