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Seeing the other posts about the right side net reminded me of the other possible July 1st new rule. Anybody know what NASA plans on doing with H&N restraints? I’m guessing since nothing has been mentioned anywhere, unless I missed it, that they aren’t going to require them. But it’s always nice to know for sure.
Sean
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secu wrote:
[quote]Seeing the other posts about the right side net reminded me of the other possible July 1st new rule. Anybody know what NASA plans on doing with H&N restraints? I’m guessing since nothing has been mentioned anywhere, unless I missed it, that they aren’t going to require them. But it’s always nice to know for sure.
Sean
#99[/quote]I asked about it yesterday and was advised that no action has yet been taken.
I think it is a pretty safe bet that they would give us about 6 months notice - the HNR vendors likely couldn’t ramp up fast enough for a short term bolus of racers.
cheers,
bruce
Bruce,
Congratulations on being the first I’ve seen to incorporate "bolus" into a post!:laugh:
Sasha
For what its worth, I highly recommend getting a HANS before they are mandated. Two trips (in one day) into the tire wall and no sore neck for me? I like it. Ill never drive without it!
You got the new seats designed with HANS in mind to protect you from side impact, similar to what NASCAR is using. Have you ever sit inside a NASCAR car? OMG, I felt like a mummy, you can only move your forearms and legs.
Is the question basically Hans vs the others? Who has used what and what are the up and down side of all?
http://www.trackpedia.com/wiki/Head_and_Neck_Restraints
this is a pretty good compilation of information.
cheers,
bruce
I attended a BMW CCA meeting that included a two hour lecture on HPDE and Club Race safety by a bio-medical engineer.
He has no affiliation with any manufacturer and consults for NASCAR, IRL, and numerous racing organizations. I took two primary things from the lecture:
Hans Device… nothing else is as good, Period; and
The Seat is just as important. He recommended two seats for touring cars: One was the Racetech 4009 HRV (and a Cobra similar) but with head restraints and beefier shoulder/back/etc…
Hopefully I’ll never need them, but I am glad I have them
leggwork wrote:
I’m avoiding this also, there have been enough battles on plenty of other boards. It’s not that I’m waiting for NASA to make me buy one, just trying to avoid buying one and then have NASA tell me I have to buy another one, if I go that route. 
I still haven’t decided which one I would go with though.
"nothing else is as good" has to be taken in context - are NASCAR and IRL needs really the same as club racing? They hit a lot of things head on, we do some of that and also get t-boned, slide into things sideways and take multiple hits (is it still being held down on the second hit?).
I’ll stop now.
bruce
kchildre wrote:
just to read up on the options at places like the trackpedia site and assess what works best for you.
I’m interested to hear of some real world experience with the Leatt brace, if they ever start shipping the car model.
cheers,
bruce
leggwork wrote:
[quote]assess what works best for you.
cheers,
bruce[/quote]
I was suprised to find the Hans makes it more comfortable for me to cinch down tight over my poorly reset broken collar bone. It seems to spread the belt’s pressure inboard for me.
For clarity, my right collar bone snapped in the middle and reset slightly overlapped and twisted. I have a hard time wearing my backpack long because the bone is so pointy, though wearing body armor helps. Seat belts are almost as bad, due to chafing.
S/F,
secu wrote:
[quote]leggwork wrote:
I’m avoiding this also, there have been enough battles on plenty of other boards. It’s not that I’m waiting for NASA to make me buy one, just trying to avoid buying one and then have NASA tell me I have to buy another one, if I go that route. I still haven’t decided which one I would go with though.[/quote]
You think NASA won’t accept the HANS device, the most widely used restraint system used worldwide?Unless you like the ISAAC, Simpsson, R3 or similar device.
If the HANS is good for WRC, F1, NASCAR, IRL, GP2, A1, LeMans, Speed World challenge, etc, it’s good for me.
Bruce,
All very good points, all I intented to do (I agree about not starting any wars over this) is pass on the information based on this lecture. The gentleman does this for a living and stated that as long as the patents are in place for the HANS device, in his opinion it is the best head and neck system on the market. Based on his lecture, I don’t drive on track without it.
leggwork wrote:
[quote]"nothing else is as good" has to be taken in context - are NASCAR and IRL needs really the same as club racing? They hit a lot of things head on, we do some of that and also get t-boned, slide into things sideways and take multiple hits (is it still being held down on the second hit?).
I’ll stop now.
bruce
kchildre wrote:
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I’ve got to say… I’m suprised to hear anyone question the effectiveness of the HANS.
I’d think the data, testing and results would speak volumes. There have been 2 NASCAR drivers that more than likely owe their lives to the device this year alone.
One of the beauties of the HANS over some of the other devices, is the simplicity.
I was glad I was wearing mine when I went off at VIR. Not saying it saved my life… but it saved me any physical pain.
Video: http://www.bottlerocketadv.com/beertech/turn10.mov
FWIW: I’ll have my center net in before the next race… not going to wait for it to be mandated
Scott - had to be painful to post that video. Glad you are OK and your car is back on the track. I think leggwork is just saying that we probably don’t know, based on the testing done, which device is best for our type of racing. I have already purchased one HANS (for Mike) and will probably be buying another for me before Rockingham, but I am still pondering the R3 or Hutchens Hybrid, which look like equally as effective options, based on the evidence available, which is sparce.
Ed