Went to Korman for an Engine Rebuild


#1

Got back from Korman this afternoon. I drove the E30 the 70 miles to the shop and it made it alright. Leaking a little oil and it needs some new shocks (it was like riding an old-west buggy down I40) but it held together. Longest drive it’s been on with me yet. Real nice place and very professional. You don’t get that “Wal-mart” feeling that you are there just to make them money. They’ve got 10 or so cars in the shop right now, so they’re a bit busy. On Monday they’re going to go through the car very thoroughly and make a spreadsheet of every part that needs to be replaced and send that to me. I let them know that I’m just doing the engine right now, but the list will be good to have for when I need to work on the rest of the car. To keep costs down, I’ll be putting on the simpler parts that don’t require any special tools, while I leave the rest to them. He mentioned getting a dyno to break the engine in, but I can do that on the country roads around my house, at least while the car is still street legal. Talked for a bit and he went way into detail on everything. They’ve built a few Spec E30s before and it certainly seemed like they have a good handle on the rules and he mentioned talking to Carter several times about the series. He took me back into the shop to show me around. They had some great looking cars there. No E30s at the time, but a few 2002s, 6 series, and an old 3.2 CSL that looked museum-quality and he pulled the cover off their M1 that was hiding back there somewhere. It all looked very organized and clean - the short tour put a lot of confidence in their work. I’ll be gone all next week, but when I get back I’m looking forward to seeing that spreadsheet and ticking off what’s going to get replaced.

Who else has rebuilt their engine? The only thing I’m worried about is if they go to a hp/tq limit, what will it be?

jblack - I didn’t get a look at their rocker arms. Next time I talk to them on the phone I’ll ask him if he can show me some of them when I come pick up the car. Of course by then I might have a set installed in my own car :laugh: Shouldn’t be too long, I’ll be back in town in a week and a half. If you want to know anything in particular about them just give them a call. They’ll direct you straight to the builders.


#2

Great report! Glad they had some experience with Spec E30 cars. Best of luck with the work - I hope you stay smiling - even after the bill :slight_smile:

Thanks again!


#3

Not to pry but what is your budget? Have you been doing schools? What is the condition of your motor now? Korman has a great facility and I have done a lot of business with them over the years.

Al


#4

I’ve also been wondering about where we are with that hp/tq cap. It doesnt effect me right now but for people who are making long term plans like this it would be good to get some more info…


#5

FARTBREF wrote:

[quote]Not to pry but what is your budget? Have you been doing schools? What is the condition of your motor now? Korman has a great facility and I have done a lot of business with them over the years.

Al[/quote]

Nah no problem. My budget isn’t really set in stone. I’ll see what needs work and go from there. It isn’t going to be stripped down to the block and fitted with all new everything, but I am going to be thorough enough to make sure it doesn’t kick the bucket any time soon. As for schools, not right now. Currently spending most weekends running from Raleigh to Wilmington and back. Also in the middle of selling one car and getting this one put together. I’ve only had the E30 about 6 weeks. When I get some basic parts on it, like the suspension package, brakes, cage and other safety gear I’ll start running some events with it. While I do those, I’ll get the rest of the Spec E30-specific parts installed. Most of the work I would rather do myself. Aside from getting the cage in and some welding, plus the engine components that require special tools (that I don’t have), I’ll be doing the rest. I’ve worked on putting a few back together. My dad’s '68 Cougar back in high school, my Jeep, and an '81 Vette. I haven’t been able to spend much time picking the car apart. Aside from the oil leak, there’s nothing sticking out other than the fact that it’s almost got 200k on it. I’m not really rebuilding it for a power boost, more like a reliability issue,


#6

I am going the same route you are, building a car with a only 2 tools: a pen and a checkbook. :blush: Billy Revis is doing the work.
The engine was torn down and then rebuilt from the block out. Like you - I was primarily interested in reliability though I assume that Billy will be thinking about performance too. Again, a shop with an excellent reputation, high integrity and total adherence to the rules.
The cage is built and tacked in, waiting for seat fitting next week then it gets final welded and painted with the interior. Hopefully I’ll be looking at an August shakeout - but surely by September. Let me know if you’d like to discuss any details…

  • Erle

#7

It’s good to see folks talking about getting their cars ready to enter SpecE30.

I can’t help but smile at the thought of transitioning, if only somewhat, from “Eatee” to “Eater”. When veteran HPDE types start considering making the leap to W2W, there is an unspoken “I’m getting pretty damn good. It’s time to run with the big boys”.

Then they run with those big boys and are suddenly force to come face to face with the realization that they really aren’t worth a shit. Yet. So they put a smile on their face and work hard at it. Ultimately there will be a new crop of Rookies coming in, just about the time the old crop is starting to suck less.

Welcome aboard all newbies <big grin on face, rubs hands together gleefully>


#8

Ranger wrote:

[quote]It’s good to see folks talking about getting their cars ready to enter SpecE30.

I can’t help but smile at the thought of transitioning, if only somewhat, from “Eatee” to “Eater”. When veteran HPDE types start considering making the leap to W2W, there is an unspoken “I’m getting pretty damn good. It’s time to run with the big boys”.

Then they run with those big boys and are suddenly force to come face to face with the realization that they really aren’t worth a shit. Yet. So they put a smile on their face and work hard at it. Ultimately there will be a new crop of Rookies coming in, just about the time the old crop is starting to suck less.

Welcome aboard all newbies <big grin on face, rubs hands together gleefully>[/quote]

Plus 1

Aint “that they really aren’t worth a shit.” the truth.
It is amazing how hard those last couple seconds are to find.

Don


#9

donstevens wrote:

[quote]Plus 1

Aint “that they really aren’t worth a shit.” the truth.
It is amazing how hard those last couple seconds are to find.

Don[/quote]

Last COUPLE of seconds? I WISH I was that close…
:ohmy:


#10

Ranger, Don, Fred, you’re not slow, it is that all the guys up front are cheating. That’s gotta be the answer. If you don’t believe it, just let one of the front-pack guys drive your car and you’ll see.

Oops, been there and done that. Sure enough, Seth Thomas was noticeably faster than I…or Jim Robinson in his car, or Chuck Taylor in his car. We’re narrowing the gap. Ya’ll have likely noted the same. So let’s keep working on improving the game.

Regards, Robert Patton


#11

I haven’t figured out how Seth and Clay carry their cheating around with them, but I know its there somehow. Maybe like a mini-NOS setup or something.


#12

IndyJim wrote:

I think you’ve struck the nail on the head. They are somehow able to carry their cheating around with them. We’ll call it “Cheater-Skill”. Bastards. We’re on to them now! I’m gonna protest their asses so fast it’s gonna make their heads spin.

Scott: “Sir, that guy over there is a cheater”.

NASA Official: "Really? Are you sure? How’s he cheating?

Scott: “That car wasn’t that fast this morning when some other guy was driving it. But then that guy gets into it and all the sudden it’s blazing fast. As a matter of fact every car he gets into goes faster. He’s clearly using Cheater-Skills”.

NASA Official: “How’s that? Cheater-Skills? What are they?”

Scott: “What, are you some kind of idiot? Do I have to spell it out for you? He gets into a car and it’s fudging faster, for christ’s sake. He’s clearly using Cheater-Skills”.

NASA Official: “Well, I dunno about that. But I’m kinda new here. What should I do?”

Scott: “Ok, but I can’t be carrying you officials every day. Y’all need to know the darn CCR. The CCR says that anyone exhibiting Cheater-skills has to wear their helmet backwards.”

NASA Official: “Well thanks Scott, and thanks a lot for having the CCR handy for this. Y’know we sure owe you for not going off like a bomb when we falsely accused you of being a reckless shithead at Roebling.”

Scott: “That’s ok, Jim said he’d square me away over that, and he’s a man of his word.”


#13

I would run the motor on the street and DE’s till it blows…it is actually the last thing you need, otherwise you will be wearing out a nice new motor learning how to drive…

Al


#14

FARTBREF wrote:

[quote]I would run the motor on the street and DE’s till it blows…it is actually the last thing you need, otherwise you will be wearing out a nice new motor learning how to drive…

Al[/quote]

Agreed. I’m still waiting for mine to blow no luck yet :wink:


#15

Patton wrote:

Yeah, I agree - it’s probably some kind of stealth NOS system. Probably something along the lines of Al’s “cool squirt”… :silly:


#16

FARTBREF wrote:

[quote]I would run the motor on the street and DE’s till it blows…it is actually the last thing you need, otherwise you will be wearing out a nice new motor learning how to drive…

Al[/quote]

Won’t be driving it on the street, except to break the engine in. Just a track car. I’ve got the Jeep for daily driving (for now). I know it’s the last thing on the list, but it’s not a very long term build. Although seeing it in black and white (or pixels, whatever) makes me reconsider just rebuilding it before I enter actual racing. Who knows, I’ll see when I get the spreadsheet from Korman and keep my mind open. Since I’m out of town and it’s at the shop I might as well have them do something I can’t. Other than the engine, that just leaves the chassis reinforcements and the cage. I’m just tired of watching it leak all that oil :laugh: OPEC must love me


#17

Erle wrote:

[quote]I am going the same route you are, building a car with a only 2 tools: a pen and a checkbook. :blush: Billy Revis is doing the work.
The engine was torn down and then rebuilt from the block out. Like you - I was primarily interested in reliability though I assume that Billy will be thinking about performance too. Again, a shop with an excellent reputation, high integrity and total adherence to the rules.
The cage is built and tacked in, waiting for seat fitting next week then it gets final welded and painted with the interior. Hopefully I’ll be looking at an August shakeout - but surely by September. Let me know if you’d like to discuss any details…

  • Erle[/quote]

Erle,

Are you pulling a Brett Farve? :slight_smile:

If so, glad to have you back!!

-Steve


#18

My man!

Well I suppose I can’t claim there aren’t any similarities. But I CAN state that nobody is offering me $20M to sit at home.

Billy was already building the car, so I thought I would finish that project. And having a legal SpecE30 seems like a real novelty. Finally thinking about the additional HP in the “i” motor and I felt I had to at least get the car sorted… Guess it kind of snowballed.

Hope you are well Steve, and I hope to see you soon!

Erle Farve