Stories of Epicentricity from the weekend at CMP?


#21

BigKeyserSoze wrote:

[quote]The quote of the weekend, for me, came from Scott Gress after Saturday’s race. It went something like this:

“I didn’t fill out a body contact report because I couldn’t remember it all. All it would say was I got hit by a bunch of cars, the color and number of which I do not know”
[/quote]

Highlight reel of Saturday’s Sprint at http://www.vimeo.com/16659164

I have a whole new video set up. The rear cam ran out of power early on and the driver cam needs a wide angle lens.

I chased handling problems Friday and Saturday. A week or two ago I’d finally gotten around to removing the pre-load out of my sways and had to loosen my FL 2 turns and tighten my RL 2 turns. To my surprise, that made my car really tailhappy. 3X over Friday and Saturday, I reduced rear sway until I’d gone from 10mm to 1mm.

The tailhappiness wasn’t really eliminated until Sunday afternoon when I put my best remaining tires on the rear.

It was a mistake to try to get 1 more weekend out of my year old race tires. I’d had hopes of being 1sec behind the leaders like RA, so being 4sec back was a pisser.

I’m grateful to the Palacios for letting me rack out in their RV. I was able to pay them back by hitting Julio twice. I felt pretty lousy about that.

Video highlights.

I’m leaving most names out of this commentary because there were a lot of bonehead moves made. If a bunch of name calling starts, I’m staying out. The video speaks for itself. If I mention your name here, it because you weren’t one of the boneheads.

Greatest start of my (somewhat hapless) career. Passed 6 cars when I happened to be late on the gas and everyone else was early on the gas. That forced everyone in front of me to check up. Then Green was thrown and as luck would have it everyone herringboned outboard and that left me a gap up the middle thru half the pack.

58sec. Julio and I went thru 4-6 together. He was a little ahead of me for some or all of it. We connected in 6. I was trying hard to play nice while holding the roughly side-by-side position. I feel strongly that I didn’t turn into him. But the bottom line was that he had position so the turn was his.

2:10. I rear end Julio, putting my warm sleeping spot in his RV in jeopardy. I feel bad about this one. There was a pack going into 14 and I should have predicted that they’d have to check up a little early. After the turn you can see Julio’s hand and arm signals suggesting that instead of being a dumbass, perhaps I could leave a little more space.

3:54. I am passed under yellow.

5:10. I block Herrington going into 8. He was annoyed with me over this. If you have a little overlap on me on the inside, I’ll give you the turn unless it’s the last lap of the race. If you are close enough to me that you’re in easy divebomb range, I will often give away the turn. But I will not predictably roll over like a patsy every time. The rules allow one move to block and sometimes I’ll take it. The way I think about it is, if you have or almost have overlap, you’re in a good position to take the turn from me so I’ll just give it to you rather then fighting the inevitable. But if you are farther back in “tricky divebomb range”, than you might be tempted to try something risky to take the turn. I don’t want you to do something risky with my car so when I move over a little, it’s my way of telling you, “don’t take this risk”.

I think that when Herrington and I discussed this later, he was dissatisfied with my lack of apology. I point out in my defense that I gave him turn 11 that immed followed. Of course, another driver had a say in that.

5:39. To the surprise of me and Herrington, a third driver wanted turn 11 also. He hit Herrington who was thrown into me.

8:10. Hit and passed under yellow.

9:21. In my rear view mirror you can see a Miata trying to punt an E30.

10:28. In my rear view mirror you can see one of us punting a Miata in turn 4.

Subject change: Fred hit himself. I know that’s not something a guy normally talks about much, but as long as it doesn’t get out of control I suppose there’s no harm done.


#22

Long reply…

There is still stuff to learn at CMP, do what you have to do to make your car “less loose”…

Sat Q I have a lot of clunking in the suspension, flat spot a tire down to the air, do not have a good spare, find a broken LR shock mount and the LF strut collar is completely unscrewed, got 9th with that set up and did not get a lap due to flat spot…pretty happy with 9th.

Sat Race, am tight on McKay for the first few laps and benifit from 3 cars going off, was 5th for a while, looked like it was going to be fun, McKay was loose but I got looser as the 2 year old RR tire heated up…ended up with a black flag for no brake lights, the plastic bumper cars also have a plastic brake light switch that wears out…I did manage to torment Bill Z who was running very hard for someone who had been away for a year, good driving!

IFU Much better than last year due to higher sun and less dust, I had a lot of fun, ran old 888’s and slid around a bunch, sorry to Bill Z for the tap…had nowhere to go in a bunch of cars.

Sunday Q: clunks seem to be worn out inner ball joint on one side and outer on the other, control arms are not that old and the lack of a roundel makes me wonder, car is mega loose, q 27th…

Sunday race: I move up a few spots and manage to stay ahead of the rear pack, can see Keith Smith and Ranger back there but not much else, bring the car home in one piece, may have been 18th?

Thanks to Tom Hall for bringing the fire pit, not too much partying going on but caught up on some sleep, a great event but we need to push for that track to be paved!!!


#23

Thanks for the details so far guys. I have watched all the vids at least once and I want more…C’mon guys post em up. Particularly the mid pack guys. Front runner vids are great for learning where you guys are fast and I am slow but they are boring from an action perspective.

Gress’ video was great. Maybe a little too much action. I would have loved to hear what Julio was saying in his helmet when he was waving his arms :ohmy:

Don


#24

Was my first event as a corner worker. I was at 3 on saturday. Unfortunately theres no time to get video. The inverted standing start looked pretty exciting. I think most of the pack was 5 wide through 2.

The main reason i came was to get drunk and bullshit with everybody. Mission accomplished except that Al and ChickenFucker went to bed early. I expected ranger to go sleep early. I actually attempted to go to sleep at 730 but I realized that I had to be hammered for the front bench seat of my truck to be acceptable.

I don’t know if I can stand volunteering again. It just made me want to be on track more. I spent 100 on gas and a weekend for 125 worth of track time.


#25

donstevens wrote:

[quote]Gress’ video was great. Maybe a little too much action. I would have loved to hear what Julio was saying in his helmet when he was waving his arms :ohmy:

Don[/quote]

Each hand wave had an associated message:

  1. I must snore in my RV, Ranger is mad at me for not letting him sleep properly
  2. Ok, Ranger feels 68 degrees was too warm in the RV friday night, he’s dumping me for Scott McKay’s rig tonight
  3. I promised my wife her paint job would survive the 1st race weekend - now she’s going to kill me
    :cheer:

The battery in my GoPro died as I forgot to charge it so I got zero video on Saturday. An id-10-t user error.


#26

Here’s my IFU video. I was in knife fights the whole way and not a single bit of contact. Fine work by all. Laura and I traded places practically 2X/lap. http://www.vimeo.com/16680262


#27

Ranger wrote:[quote]

Subject change: Fred hit himself. I know that’s not something a guy normally talks about much, but as long as it doesn’t get out of control I suppose there’s no harm done.[/quote]

Strictly speaking, it was bump-drafting. Admittedly it was in the paddock, and it was my pickup. But it was bump-drafting…


#28

I haven’t gotten a chance to watch any of the videos, but I look forward to it. Here are all of my Sunday videos:

Session 1: Cold track was given warning not to hit gators

http://www.vimeo.com/16683331

Session 2: Short session due to lunch / quiet hour

http://www.vimeo.com/16680927

Session 3: Even shorter session due to Viper going into tire wall, but I captured it pretty well in the video

http://www.vimeo.com/16678676

Session 4: Damn camera shut off before the good stuff but we had 3 E30s in line on track and it was a great session

http://www.vimeo.com/16679262

What I learned from watching all my Sunday video was that I definitely wasn’t driving as well as I thought I was. I seemed to be struggling for traction in quite a few corners and it almost sounds like maybe my clutch was slipping as well. I will get my 2 Saturday videos up tonight. As always I am welcome to comments and suggestions.


#29

I posted the 4th session earlier in this thread, with you in front of me, along with the red e30…


#30

Fred42 wrote:

[quote]Ranger wrote:[quote]

Subject change: Fred hit himself. I know that’s not something a guy normally talks about much, but as long as it doesn’t get out of control I suppose there’s no harm done.[/quote]

Strictly speaking, it was bump-drafting. Admittedly it was in the paddock, and it was my pickup. But it was bump-drafting…[/quote]
Don’t feel bad, Fred. I backed my race car into my bumper-less donor-tub-in-waiting at OPM a couple months ago. I damaged the race car’s bumper, tail light, and rear finish panel. Dayum.

It’s going to look rough in December but much better in February.


#31

King Tut wrote:

[quote]Session 3: Even shorter session due to Viper going into tire wall, but I captured it pretty well in the video
[/quote]Bummer for him. Seems like you’d have to dump the clutch to get a car to do that, but I guess Viper power and cold tires = oops.

Madooooski is the last guy I saw in that ditch. And we know that wasn’t because of too much horsepower. :stuck_out_tongue:

Sounds like good old wheel spin to me. Is your rear bar set to full soft? I find that backing off from maximum rear camber helps too.


#32

Steve D wrote:

[quote]Fred42 wrote:

[quote]Ranger wrote:[quote]

Subject change: Fred hit himself. I know that’s not something a guy normally talks about much, but as long as it doesn’t get out of control I suppose there’s no harm done.[/quote]

Strictly speaking, it was bump-drafting. Admittedly it was in the paddock, and it was my pickup. But it was bump-drafting…[/quote]
Don’t feel bad, Fred. I backed my race car into my bumper-less donor-tub-in-waiting at OPM a couple months ago. I damaged the race car’s bumper, tail light, and rear finish panel. Dayum.

It’s going to look rough in December but much better in February.[/quote]

Thanks Steve. In my case it was a little too much adrenalin when pulling into my space. Luckily it only screwed up my (newly applied) Toyo sticker.

BTW, anybody know where the big group picture is? I’ve got the one Bill posted on FB but where’s our official portrait?


#33

Steve D wrote:

I hope it was just wheel spin and not clutch spin. I have the UUC bar with 3 holes. I set it up in the middle, but I am going to switch it to soft before Road Atlanta.


#34

King Tut wrote:

[quote]I hope it was just wheel spin and not clutch spin.[/quote]When the car settles, the “spin” stops. So my money is on the suspension setting being the cause (and cold tires, slightly abrupt throttle application, 30 Spec E30s throwing crap all over the track, etc. :woohoo: ).


#35

jtower wrote:

That’s a bad hit at 1:34. Reminds me of the bump and run that occured to me under yellow. Reminded Levie of his encounter, also at turn 11. Al K, too.


#36

I see what you did there.


#37

After my last CMP visit, I actually stiffened my rear sway bar ( from softest to firm setting, bypassing middle setting ). Car felt allot better this last weekend. Had a touch of oversteer in turn 3 according to one driver that took it out for a spin…
Also worked on tire pressures. My clutch has a little slip every now and then coming down the front straight, going to 4th…Only place I ever notice it so will look at that over the winter…


#38

evanlevine3233 wrote:

[quote]I won’t lie… talk about a weekend of highs and lows for me. Taking P1 in qualifying was a real thrill Saturday morning. Getting punted off the track and damaging the newly repainted car in the first lap of the race was pretty heartbreaking.

The good news was it didn’t do anything too bad, she took P1 again Sunday morning and finished 3rd in the race. The ole time trial skills still work but my race craft is NOT on part with Johan and Skeen. I mean Travis. Or was it…[/quote]Who was that that came blasting through and nailed you? Walsh? Did he even brake? What the hell was going on at T11 on that first lap? I got creamed by ScottMC, Evan got taken out, a few others got scattered. Looked like half the field decided they could make the turn w/o touching the brakes.

I haven’t had time to look at much footage, but what I’ve seen is pretty ugly. Not the statement we were trying to make.

I know Herrington is good, but he picked up 11 spots (27 to 16) on Lap 1?? Come on, that’s probably 8-10 positions of mayhem unfolding before him in just one lap.


#39

Wow! What a weekend. Thanks to the IFU committee and especially Chuck and Scott for putting together another great IFU. Surprisingly clean racing during the IFU especially with 30 cars from my view and a ton of fun.
Saturday: qualified a weak 24th but worked my way up to 12th and was having fun until the last lap when I lost the left front wheel under braking and turn in at 8. Sad when your wheel passes you in a turn. The wheel was found by the corner workers 50 yards in the woods and the wheel baring out was torn up by the ground. thanks to travis for the needed spare bracket and Scott for his speedy repairs to get me back onto track for the IFU.
I apologize to Ranger for the “bump and run” in turn 14 under yellow and that it was my error failing to get it slowed up and bumping you in the braking zone. To clarify, there was NO EV’s in the area at the time but still deserved the black flag.

Sunday: qualified 12th but after the first few laps of racing with the fish and others broke a rocker arm that retired me to watching the close racing down thru 1.
Reviewing video this week but lost the IFU video 1/3rd the way thru.


#40

Laszlo wrote:

[quote]I apologize to Ranger for the “bump and run” in turn 14 under yellow and that it was my error failing to get it slowed up and bumping you in the braking zone. To clarify, there was NO EV’s in the area at the time but still deserved the black flag.
[/quote]

You’re right and I’m wrong. I rechecked the vid and the EV’s hadn’t got there yet. I apologize for overstating the situation.