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I’d add a second (cheapo) gun [or at a min. combat knife], and bottle of vodka to the downstairs gun kit.
That way when you shoot the neighbor you can put the gun in her hand and splash a little booze on her. Presto home invader.
Or maybe consider a taser for xmas.
bdigel wrote:
[quote]Ranger
your not getting a fly by granted on that episode from me!
Ive been to your house
#1 WTF were you thinking making that kind of racket at that time?, If I was that lady I would have just shot you first! BAM
#2 you were making all kind of noise and your first reaction when someone starts puonding on your garage is that some perp is coming for you?? really?? when was the last time a criminal announced his arrival?? come on ??
Youd bettter take her some more flowers!![/quote]
+1
You better bring her alot more than flowers or your relationship will NOT be repaired.
This thread scares the heck out of me. If we lived in your neighborhood we would move tomorrow. No I am not kidding. This is not funny.
You had a gun pointed at your neighbor. What if there was a banging noise as the garage door opened? What if the light hit your eyes funny? There is no excuse, you could have been telling this story in court. You still may.
You caused this situation, and somehow, it sounds like you are looking for sympathy from fellow racers.
I understand their have been robberies in your town.
I humbly suggest you:
Delete this post
do everything in your power to assure your neighbors nothing like this will ever happen again. They may say no problem to your face, but they will be scared as hell of you, until you prove it was a major judgement error, and will not happen again. And they will be telling alot of people. The people’s opinions you need to worry about are not us guys on this forum, its your neighbors and their neighbors and close friends. Get busy you have a lot of work to do.
PS a kid in a neighboring town was shot and killed by his father in a situation almost identical to the one you describe, yes there was crime in their town too.
I know I am giving advise you may not like, but I give it with concern and care in my heart. You opened this up, close it up carefully. I wish you well.
As Al Capone once said “you can always get further with a kind word and a gun, then you can with just a kind word”.
Still waiting for Pics of the Hot Neighbor and a better description of her attire during said incident mentioned above.
I don’t know about you, but I’m probably dead tired and asleep at 12:30 AM - what the heck was this lady doing up at that hour?
Ranger - might be time to invest in an insulated garage door if you don’t already have one - much improved thermal and accoustic properties over the single layer sheet metal doors. (Not sure about the ballistic improvments vs a builder spec door but you could probably have one special ordered with Kevlar and carbon fiber layers.)
Jim
the Shoe wrote:
[quote]This thread scares the heck out of me. If we lived in your neighborhood we would move tomorrow. No I am not kidding. This is not funny.
You had a gun pointed at your neighbor. What if there was a banging noise as the garage door opened? What if the light hit your eyes funny? There is no excuse, you could have been telling this story in court. You still may.
You caused this situation, and somehow, it sounds like you are looking for sympathy from fellow racers.
I understand their have been robberies in your town.
I humbly suggest you:
Delete this post
do everything in your power to assure your neighbors nothing like this will ever happen again. They may say no problem to your face, but they will be scared as hell of you, until you prove it was a major judgement error, and will not happen again. And they will be telling alot of people. The people’s opinions you need to worry about are not us guys on this forum, its your neighbors and their neighbors and close friends. Get busy you have a lot of work to do.
PS a kid in a neighboring town was shot and killed by his father in a situation almost identical to the one you describe, yes there was crime in their town too.
I know I am giving advise you may not like, but I give it with concern and care in my heart. You opened this up, close it up carefully. I wish you well.[/quote]
You and I come from different worlds. We should probably agree to disagree.
This wasn’t an appeal for sympathy. It was one more mildly amusing Scott-the-dumbass story where I annoyed the neighbors. The fact that whoever banged on the door didn’t identify themselves when I answered, and I responded cautiously is just a side-note.
Someone bangs on your door in the middle of the night and fails to identify themselves at your house, you open the door for them.
Someone bangs on my door in the middle of the night and fails to identify themselves, I arm myself.
You do it your way and I’ll do it my way.
I certainly never intended for this thread to become some kind of 2nd amendment lightning rod.
Re. the father who shot the son. Tragedies happen. But the statistics show that lawful weapon owners almost never cause problems. Freak accidents happen and the media loves to play them up. But freak accidents are not a reason to lobby for a widespread change of behavior. Lawfully owned weapons protect people. They are your friend. No good will come from discouraging folks from taking reasonable precautions. “Reasonable” being in the eye of the beholder, of course. It’s the bad guys with firearms should create anxiety.
Those neighbors were over at our house for our traditional combined family thanksgiving. At the end of which, we were all laughing about the incident, well, everyone else was laughing and I was reiterating apologies…and she asked if that was a real “gun” that I pointed at her. So I asked her about something else in order to change the subject.
To the amusement of all.
I’m not taking sides on this. But I do like to stir the pot…
Fact:
Owning a gun increases your chances 33% of being injured or killed by a gun
I’m just say’n 
Scott “fanning the flames” Mc
scottmc wrote:
[quote]I’m not taking sides on this. But I do like to stir the pot…
Fact:
Owning a gun increases your chances 33% of being injured or killed by a gun
I’m just say’n
Scott “fanning the flames” Mc[/quote]
A Lefty mag by the name of NewScientist recently published a study asserting exactly that. But when you look closer at the data you find that what they really looked at was “carrying” a weapon, not “owning” a weapon. Rather disingenuous of them.
The vast vast majority of weapons casualties are druggies shooting each other, and that’s what distorted this study so badly. It’s pretty hard to find honest statistics on either side of the issue. The NRA isn’t exactly unbiased either. But one worth looking at is the relevant chapter in Freakonomics. As I recall, one of the interesting factoids was that the neighbor’s backyard pool was ~10X more dangerous to children then the neighbor’s handgun in his dresser. And I don’t see anyone suggesting we ban pools “for the children”, a common refrain of the gun control crowd.
Ranger wrote:
i didn’t read the article but what makes new scientist a “lefty” mag? In fact it’s just the opposite? If you’ve read it semi-regularly you will recall the controversy over them calling Darwinism wrong.
kishg wrote:
[quote]Ranger wrote:
i didn’t read the article but what makes new scientist a “lefty” mag? In fact it’s just the opposite? If you’ve read it semi-regularly you will recall the controversy over them calling Darwinism wrong.[/quote]
People are complicated. A hard science magazine that publishes a obviously flawed study either does it because they’re incompetant or because the study agrees with their worldview so they don’t look at it very carefully.
They’re probably not incompetant. I infered that it was their politics talking. But maybe I’m wrong and instead the mag’s peer review process is the problem.
If an arguement isn’t all that compelling, some folks will resort to dishonesty to convince others. That kind of thing really gives me a case of the ass. I want to be able to trust the folks providing info. I don’t want to have to wonder how they might have slanted it one way or another.
Don’t get me wrong, some Rightees news sources will distort and spin the truth too. And god knows no one in government can be trusted to have the courage to tell hard truths.
In some ways, having spent my whole adult life in the military has created some weaknesses. I am sometimes too credulous. I assume that I can entirely trust the info provided to be the unvarnished and unspun truth, because that is what I was used to. As a result I take it hard when I find that someone distorted the facts to suit their worldview.
Re. criticising Darwin. Modern evolutionary biologists have a number of problems with Darwinism, but it’s been a while since I read much about that so I don’t recall much in the way of details.
There’s all sorts of evolutionary adaptations that Darwinism can’t explain. Evolution apparently isn’t as simple as the natural selection that Darwin imagined.
Ranger wrote:
[quote]bdigel wrote:
I agree. That’s my take too. But I’m a guy. I don’t (attempt to) read minds like chicks do. If you don’t tell me I’m a pain in the ass, I’m not going to figure out on my own.[/quote]
Haven’t we already established this?
the Shoe wrote:
Don’t move to my neighborhood then, and I wouldn’t recommend moving to the state of Florida:
As of October 1, 2005, Florida became a “Stand-your-ground” state. The Florida law is a self-defense, self-protection law. It has four key components:
It establishes that law-abiding residents and visitors may legally presume the threat of bodily harm or death from anyone who breaks into a residence or occupied vehicle and may use defensive force, including deadly force, against the intruder.
In any other place where a person “has a right to be,” that person has “no duty to retreat” if attacked and may “meet force with force, including
deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”
In either case, a person using any force permitted by the law is immune from criminal prosecution or civil action and cannot be arrested unless a
law enforcement agency determines there is probable cause that the force used was unlawful.
If a civil action is brought and the court finds the defendant to be immune based on the parameters of the law, the defendant will be awarded all
costs of defense.
What does Florida law say about someone chasing your car beating the hell out of it with a golf club?
It says you can avoid police questioning and just be given a $160 ticket for wreckless driving apparantly. 
Good one…
Domestic disputes are a whole other area, good thing for Tiger he didn’t run her over.
Al
FARTBREF wrote:
You sure about that? :laugh:
Just kidding. I would never hit a woman. Maybe a bump draft, that’s all.
Major difference between Ranger and me: he went to the door with a Glock, I use my Ithica Pump, 12ga/8 rounds OO buckshot: I have no interest in being politally correct. Chuck
cwbaader wrote:
The beauty of a pump shotgun is that when you chamber a round, everyone within earshot recognizes the sound and runs like hell.
Are you kidding? I likely would have fired a warning shot. Scott acted well within rights and very appropriate in this situation.
FishMan wrote:
Replacement half shafts came in from Chuck Baader last night, so I was working on the Lemons car last night until 02 installing them.
I don’t know why I stayed up so late to do it. I kept getting to a stopping point and thinking, “should I call it a night? Ah hell, might as well keep going”.
At about 0130 I heard some unusual sounds thru the garage door. Someone was in the alley. I paused to listen.
Nothing came of it. And I wasn’t going to open the garage door to go look. I was busy.
