Konigs

#1

Are they still doing their sponsorship??

Al

#2

I ordered mine around 2 or so months ago and I got it through there sponsorship.

#3

Tom and I got 12 of them back in March and it was very easy. They seem to be great wheels, especiallt for the cost.

Jeff

#4

What Konig wheels are you running? are you running them on your Spece30? It seems that the “Rewind” is the only wheel offered in the sponsorship that meets the size and weight requirement?

#5

That’s it. It requires centering rings though, 73.1 centerbore I believe?

#6

Hub centric ring is optional. The size for Rewind is 73mm to 57.1mm.

#7

yes, we run the “Rewinds” and they are great. The centering rings are not a big deal at all, Konig sends them along for free!

#8

csrow wrote:

Are you saying that they offer it in a 57.1mm centerbore? That wasn’t an option when I bought mine. If not, I wouldn’t say that centering rings are optional. Especially if you aren’t into breaking studs.

#9

Tom and I had fun with your Spec exhaust this afternoon! Maybe the extra bends will teach you not to come to our town without giving us a chance to buy you lunch!

And the extra holes will make it lighter and allow it to breath better!

#10

155MPH wrote:

  1. Rewinds come with 73mm center bore. I was listing the I.D. of the hub centric ring.

  2. The use of hub centric ring is an often debated subject. I will just quote couple of comments from a mechanical engineer on this subject. There is nothing wrong with using hub centric rings. They are just not required.

“First of all, neither the hub nor the lugs carry any appreciable load. The way an automotive wheel carries both the dead load of the vehicle’s weight as well as the torque load (of acceleration and braking) is by the friction generated between the mounting surfaces. This friction is developed by torquing the lug nuts. This is the primary reason that manufacturers specify a particular torque for the lugs. Any person out there who tows a trailer will tell you what happens to the tow vehicle’s wheel studs if the lugs are not properly torqued (they shear off one by one).”

"It’s not that anything is wrong with hubcentric, but it is entirely over rated. If the hubcentric was going to be a primary locating method, it would be tapered and the mating surface on the car would not be a rusted lump of metal.

The friction generated by the lug nuts holds the weight of the car. Not the wheel studs in shear and not the hubcentric. Most hubcentrics are loose fit. If you have to strike the tire with a hammer to remove it, then your hubcentrics are actually doing something."

Here is a supporting calculation. Page 1 and Page 2.

#11

jhall1957 wrote:

[quote]Tom and I had fun with your Spec exhaust this afternoon! Maybe the extra bends will teach you not to come to our town without giving us a chance to buy you lunch!

And the extra holes will make it lighter and allow it to breath better![/quote]

I was in town (while) “working”. Getting back to CLT was all I was thinking about.

I’ll call you guys when I come pick it up. :kiss:

#12

155MPH wrote:

[quote]jhall1957 wrote:

[quote]Tom and I had fun with your Spec exhaust this afternoon! Maybe the extra bends will teach you not to come to our town without giving us a chance to buy you lunch!

And the extra holes will make it lighter and allow it to breath better![/quote]

I was in town (while) “working”. Getting back to CLT was all I was thinking about.

I’ll call you guys when I come pick it up. :kiss:[/quote]

If you do, we may tell you some of the other “surprise” things we did to your exhaust!

I told Tom not to stick it in there, but you know how he is when he’s drunk and has another man’s 'exhaust" in front of him!

#13

jhall1957 wrote:

[quote]155MPH wrote:

[quote]jhall1957 wrote:

[quote]Tom and I had fun with your Spec exhaust this afternoon! Maybe the extra bends will teach you not to come to our town without giving us a chance to buy you lunch!

And the extra holes will make it lighter and allow it to breath better![/quote]

I was in town (while) “working”. Getting back to CLT was all I was thinking about.

I’ll call you guys when I come pick it up. :kiss:[/quote]

If you do, we may tell you some of the other “surprise” things we did to your exhaust!

I told Tom not to stick it in there, but you know how he is when he’s drunk and has another man’s 'exhaust" in front of him![/quote]

What?!!:ohmy: Good thing your my brother, and a black belt, and 75lbs bigger than me, otherwise I’d kick your a#@ for that comment!:woohoo: And what the hell were you doing watching anyway?

#14

I sent my application to Konig last Wednesday. I got the wheels today. I can’t believe how fast they got here. Kudos to Konig Customer Service and Scott Weiss.

John

#15

I’d be real interested in how you guys like the Konigs, especially whether they can withstand a good bump, and scratch resistance. Realistically, you can buy two Konigs for the price of one TD 1.2 so I (and I’m sure others) am very interested in how they perform.

#16

Age wrote:

Ask Steve, he’s run these longer then anyone else around. Gasman, what do you think?

Tom and I have run ours for a couple of race weekends and a couple of club weekends. We’re not the crazed off-roaders that some are but they seem to be holding up really well. Plus, like you said, at this price you buy two sets rather then one and either have a back up or a set for rains!

Can’t beat it!

#17

I have two sets. About 30 days on one set and about 10 track days on the other. I may not drive as hard as racers but they are doing fine.

For cheap wheels, they are fairly true and the design of the wheel makes the spokes quite strong.

The down side of Rewinds is that they are somewhat heavy (about 15.5 lbs) and the mating surface size to the hub is fairly small. You will need a thin walled deep socket to mount the wheels if you have studs.

#18

jhall1957 wrote:

[quote]Age wrote:

Ask Steve, he’s run these longer then anyone else around. Gasman, what do you think?

[/quote]

Well lets see, I’d say the t-bone slam that sent me up on two wheels at CMP constituted a “good bump” wouldn’t you? The impact was to the right front wheel which broke the steering rack and did not damage the wheel. Also, last year I had wheel to wheel impact at Barber with a 944 trying to take the apex a little too early. That wheel is fine too. Yep, I’d say they are battle scared and road tested. :wink:

#19

Gasman wrote:

[quote]jhall1957 wrote:

[quote]Age wrote:

Ask Steve, he’s run these longer then anyone else around. Gasman, what do you think?

[/quote]

Well lets see, I’d say the t-bone slam that sent me up on two wheels at CMP constituted a “good bump” wouldn’t you? The impact was to the right front wheel which broke the steering rack and did not damage the wheel. Also, last year I had wheel to wheel impact at Barber with a 944 trying to take the apex a little too early. That wheel is fine too. Yep, I’d say they are battle scared and road tested. ;)[/quote]

you seem 2B and accedent magnet. I’m going to have to make sure I steer clear of you when I come race at the Rock. I’ll just have to be sure I get around you cleanly :woohoo:

#20

155MPH wrote:

re-posted in general discussion.

Are IE studs prone to bending / breakage?

Here’s why I ask…

At the end of Hyperfest, I went to mount my street tires back up for the drive home. (This is a DE 318is which I normally tow to the track, but 'cause SP is so close I opted to drive).

As I was in a hurry to get the street rubber back on due to impending showers, I did not let the wheels cool before trying to remove the nuts. (I know… bad idea). I ended up cross threading one stud, and pulled the other three out with the nut still attached.

I had spares in my tool box, so I replaced three studs on the right rear, and one on the left rear. As it was hard to get the rim back on flush with the hub centric ring in place I opted not to use them on the rears. (The fronts slid on just fine).

Today, I went to remove the cross threaded stud which I wasn’t able to get off of the right rear, and found that the three I had replaced are now bent. Could this be due to running with only three secured studs? The trip home was only about 1 hour.

As a final note / question; if the load of the vehicle is carried by the surface friction of the wheel / hub, and not by the studs, why did the studs bend when not using the hub centric rings as opposed to when they were used?
:S

edit: I’m using Konig Rewinds w/ hub centric rings, & IE studs.