June Jam RA Video and Stories thread


#21

Forgot to turn the Camera on for Saturday, But I did get the Sunday Race!!

http://vimeo.com/25465946

Fred did capture a little bit of my fun in the oil on Saturday

http://vimeo.com/25420437

You can see that Jon Stroup and I come together just after the restart, minor damage to either car.

I was pretty slow all weekend, and the worst thing about that is I know why and where I am slow. I just need more seat time to gain the confidence to push the car a little more. I had a great time racing with everyone, and hopefully I’ll see everyone sooner rather than later.


#22

Here’s my Saturday video: http://vimeo.com/25486598. I played around with camera angles Sunday but I’m no Geegar A/V Club expert, so that video sucks.


#23

Steve, can you post a clip that shows the last 3 laps? I didn’t see the oil-at-turn-1 incident nor the flags for it.


#24

Steve, can you post a clip that shows the last 3 laps? I didn’t see the oil-at-turn-1 incident nor the flags for it.[/quote]I can do that next week. I think when I came through they were still showing yellow at the starter stand - no debris flag yet. Lako was on my bumper so his video should show it.


#25

Sorry it took me a few days to post. I went out of town on a work trip as soon as I got back from Atlanta.

It had been since August '09 for me to race with the Spec E30 clan so I wasn’t sure what to expect. Surprisingly I still had good pace, but my biggest weakness was on the 2 race starts and 1 restart. I got KILLED on those! All in all it was a great weekend racing with E. Palacio and Matt Harness. Also had some good runs with Bratton on Saturday. The double-yellow on Sunday really split the pack up which was a disappointment, but I’m not sure that the end result would’ve been any different for me.

Regarding the oil spill on Saturday. I was in a four car pack and the thing blew right as we came on to the front straight. I think they just gotten the yellow out, but I felt like I was re-enacting Days of Thunder for a moment! We all moved to the middle of the track and went through the cloud of white smoke hoping there wasn’t a car spinning across track. We all made it through safely, but the white smoke made it easy to notice! Unfortunately I didn’t have my camera running for the Saturday race.

My video of Sunday is here: http://vimeo.com/25518641. I started it after the double-yellow which is really when the action started for me. Again had a terrible start, but spent the last few laps battling hard with Harness and Palacio. It was hard racing all the way to the finish and tons of fun!

Not sure when I’ll be back out, but hopefully soon.

Matt Thornton


#26

Much thanks for the video, Greg!!!:woohoo:
Your video is better than if I had my own camera running. The people who are not thanking you: my sister-in-law, daughter, son, wife, niece, the pizza delivery guy, and the windshield installation dude. At first I thought that was me that you are flying by at the very beginning, but I am actually going around the other side of Smith… Bitsy and I are on you left shoulder until the esses.
If you are alarmed at all the views your video gets, 90% are probably attributable to me… I definitely see some turns where I am inconsistent… and thanks again to you and everyone else for the clean racing.


#27

[quote=“Gilles” post=58017]Much thanks for the video, Greg!!!:woohoo:
Your video is better than if I had my own camera running. The people who are not thanking you: my sister-in-law, daughter, son, wife, niece, the pizza delivery guy, and the windshield installation dude. At first I thought that was me that you are flying by at the very beginning, but I am actually going around the other side of Smith… Bitsy and I are on you left shoulder until the esses.
If you are alarmed at all the views your video gets, 90% are probably attributable to me… I definitely see some turns where I am inconsistent… and thanks again to you and everyone else for the clean racing.[/quote]

Hahaha!! I’m glad you enjoyed it. That is the first video I’ve uploaded with the new camera.

I’m also a big fan of seeing my car through the camera of the trailing car, a lot can be learned.

It was good meeting you, and hope to see you at the track soon!!


#28

[quote=“thornton” post=58003]Sorry it took me a few days to post. I went out of town on a work trip as soon as I got back from Atlanta.

It had been since August '09 for me to race with the Spec E30 clan so I wasn’t sure what to expect. Surprisingly I still had good pace, but my biggest weakness was on the 2 race starts and 1 restart. I got KILLED on those! All in all it was a great weekend racing with E. Palacio and Matt Harness. Also had some good runs with Bratton on Saturday. The double-yellow on Sunday really split the pack up which was a disappointment, but I’m not sure that the end result would’ve been any different for me.

Regarding the oil spill on Saturday. I was in a four car pack and the thing blew right as we came on to the front straight. I think they just gotten the yellow out, but I felt like I was re-enacting Days of Thunder for a moment! We all moved to the middle of the track and went through the cloud of white smoke hoping there wasn’t a car spinning across track. We all made it through safely, but the white smoke made it easy to notice! Unfortunately I didn’t have my camera running for the Saturday race.

My video of Sunday is here: http://vimeo.com/25518641. I started it after the double-yellow which is really when the action started for me. Again had a terrible start, but spent the last few laps battling hard with Harness and Palacio. It was hard racing all the way to the finish and tons of fun!

Not sure when I’ll be back out, but hopefully soon.

Matt Thornton[/quote]

Matt, that guy in the red Porsche was slow, yet clueless, wasn’t he? Almost made you brake at 12, then the next lap he dive-bombs Robert at 7 and scatters the field with you all trying to avoid contact. Couldn’t quite make out your remarks but I don’t think you were praising his skill at that moment!


#29

Yeah, most of the GTS guys were really good, but that Porsche was questionable at best! I wish guys would realize that dive-bombing into turn 7 does nothing to help if you’re not actually racing the guy. The GTS guys kept wanting to try questionable passes through there and it would kill all momentum for everyone.

  • What you don’t really see in the video is as the Porsche is dive-bombing Robert in front of me, there is another GTS passing me on the outside of turn 6 and 7. The combination of all of that going on (and trying to hold Eric off) made for a crazy couple of turns. I wasn’t particularly happy, but just decided it was hard racing.

#30

Here is the video of the Porsche dumping it’s oil just before turn 1. You’ll see it losing control in it’s own oil and them moving off the racing surface. Then other cars come thru, some seeing the oil and taking an inside line, others hitting the oil and only barely staying on the track. Finally I come along and spin into the wall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e1pC0yGQV4

As you may recall there was some contraversy about flags associated with the oil spill. I talked to the S/F flaggers after the incident and they said that the turn 1 flagger never told them about the oil so they just thru stationary yellow to alert us about the Porsche off at 1. They said that if they’d a known about the oil in the braking zone they’d a thrown waving yellow and debris. Waving yellow because of the seriousness of oil in a high speed braking zone.

In contrast to that report, when I talked to higher, I was told that S/F was waving yellow and debris and therefore it was my fault for not paying attention to the flags.

I’ve since seen a couple videos of those last 2 laps of the race and S/F is doing exactly what they told me they were doing.

It doesn’t look like much of an impact from this angle, but at the time it felt so hard that I thought my whole front end was stove in.

Fortunately damage turned out to be relatively minor. A bumper shock and it’s mount was bashed into the frame a bit. Now that the car is back from a repaint at Maaco, I was continuing the effort to unscrew the bumper shock tonight. I was doing some of the worst welding you’ll ever see when I paused to see why water seemed to be dripping from the front of the motor.

It turns out that my fancy double-pass radiator was holed in the crash. Some combo of the front of the car being slammed back and the engine moving forward due to inertia. I’d just replaced the damned thing because I holed it in the CMP crash. I’m spending more on radiators than I am tires. Grumble.


#31

[quote=“Ranger” post=58659]Here is the video of the Porsche dumping it’s oil just before turn 1. You’ll see it losing control in it’s own oil and them moving off the racing surface. Then other cars come thru, some seeing the oil and taking an inside line, others hitting the oil and only barely staying on the track. Finally I come along and spin into the wall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e1pC0yGQV4

As you may recall there was some contraversy about flags associated with the oil spill. I talked to the S/F flaggers after the incident and they said that the turn 1 flagger never told them about the oil so they just thru stationary yellow to alert us about the Porsche off at 1. They said that if they’d a known about the oil in the braking zone they’d a thrown waving yellow and debris. Waving yellow because of the seriousness of oil in a high speed braking zone.

In contrast to that report, when I talked to higher, I was told that S/F was waving yellow and debris and therefore it was my fault for not paying attention to the flags.

I’ve since seen a couple videos of those last 2 laps of the race and S/F is doing exactly what they told me they were doing.

It doesn’t look like much of an impact from this angle, but at the time it felt so hard that I thought my whole front end was stove in.

Fortunately damage turned out to be relatively minor. A bumper shock and it’s mount was bashed into the frame a bit. Now that the car is back from a repaint at Maaco, I was continuing the effort to unscrew the bumper shock tonight. I was doing some of the worst welding you’ll ever see when I paused to see why water seemed to be dripping from the front of the motor.

It turns out that my fancy double-pass radiator was holed in the crash. Some combo of the front of the car being slammed back and the engine moving forward due to inertia. I’d just replaced the damned thing because I holed it in the CMP crash. I’m spending more on radiators than I am tires. Grumble.[/quote]

Scott you just posted the only good video of my trip through the oil and I thank you. I will go to my grave saying there was a white and a yellow at start finish, and that yellow was not waving!! The guys in one where sitting on their dicks!! The debris flag had been at S/f most of the race. It was out when the cone or whatever it was got thrown onto the track, then it came back out late in the race when someone hit it and moved it closer to the racing line. Even if we missed the flags, control should have taken this much more serious!! If you watch the video Fred posted earlier the dude in the 944 was out of his car in the gravel trap and walking around!!

Either way I now have proof to show my buddies that Sh!tting your pants is cool :woohoo: I’m also patting myself on the back for what looks like really good driving on my part :unsure:

And yes I did lose a position!!


#32

I found the commentary from Mark to be the best part of that video.


#33

At least I’m good for something! I just happened to be standing around with my cheapass camera, shooting video for no good reason (until shenanigans commenced).

As for the officials, I’m not sure how the marshals in turn 1 would have been able to even see oil on the track. The Porsche came to a stop about 50 yards uptrack from them. Any oil dumpage was likely spread from that point to 100+ yards earlier, somewhere between the start/finish bridge and the green flag stand. The turn 1 marshals wouldn’t have been able to see the oil that far uptrack. Even so, displaying a waving yellow and/or debris flag at turn 1 would have been useless, since the hazard was located before turn 1.

Mark


#34

At least I’m good for something! I just happened to be standing around with my cheapass camera, shooting video for no good reason (until shenanigans commenced).

As for the officials, I’m not sure how the marshals in turn 1 would have been able to even see oil on the track. The Porsche came to a stop about 50 yards uptrack from them. Any oil dumpage was likely spread from that point to 100+ yards earlier, somewhere between the start/finish bridge and the green flag stand. The turn 1 marshals wouldn’t have been able to see the oil that far uptrack. Even so, displaying a waving yellow and/or debris flag at turn 1 would have been useless, since the hazard was located before turn 1.

Mark[/quote]
Flag workers are responsible for the zone after their tower, not before. That being said, they can’t help but become aware of what is occuring just before their tower too because as car’s leave your zone the flagger will turn and look up the track. It’s human nature to look for something interesting, and there’s always a desire to look up the track just in case something godawful has occured and a car is heading right for you.

The fact that several cars had control problems within spitting distance of the tower should have been an obvious indicator that something slipper was on the track. Not to mention the tower would have been aware that the Porsche spun right right in front of it and then limped off the track.

It’s a Porsche. If one sees a Porsche limp off the track it either dumped coolant or oil, depending on the model year. It’s the nature of Porsches. A Porsche limping off the track should cause an immed thought of “I wonder if there’s <oil/water>?”

A tower won’t necessarily see oil but instead detect it’s presence by the behavior of the cars that follow.

Once tower 1 realized that there was something on the track, he should have radiod S/F so they could put up waving yellow & debris.


#35

Prior to firing up my camera for those 2 minutes, there was not a shortage of piss-poor driving in turn 1, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the corner workers thought it was normal to see a few Bimmers going through there badly.

From the time that the Porsche spun until the E30 tagged the inside wall, 27 other cars went through turn 1, with 1 of them extremely sideways and 1 other running wide/off-line.

Again, the Porsche’s problems likely started 100-150 yards before the station in turn 1. Who among us can spot a fluid spill from the opposite end of a football field (and then some)?

If somebody was still at the green flag station, then they would have been able to see fluid on the track. But, if they weren’t around after the start of the race, then there would have been nobody left to have a front-row seat for the fluid spill.

These things happen when you put your car on a track.

Mark


#36

[quote=“MarkMc26” post=59187]Prior to firing up my camera for those 2 minutes, there was not a shortage of piss-poor driving in turn 1, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the corner workers thought it was normal to see a few Bimmers going through there badly.

From the time that the Porsche spun until the E30 tagged the inside wall, 27 other cars went through turn 1, with 1 of them extremely sideways and 1 other running wide/off-line.[/quote]Damn! Those are two very logical, rational comments. Are you sure you’re Scott’s brother? :woohoo:


#37

[quote=“MarkMc26” post=59187]Prior to firing up my camera for those 2 minutes, there was not a shortage of piss-poor driving in turn 1, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the corner workers thought it was normal to see a few Bimmers going through there badly.

From the time that the Porsche spun until the E30 tagged the inside wall, 27 other cars went through turn 1, with 1 of them extremely sideways and 1 other running wide/off-line.

Again, the Porsche’s problems likely started 100-150 yards before the station in turn 1. Who among us can spot a fluid spill from the opposite end of a football field (and then some)?

If somebody was still at the green flag station, then they would have been able to see fluid on the track. But, if they weren’t around after the start of the race, then there would have been nobody left to have a front-row seat for the fluid spill.

These things happen when you put your car on a track.

Mark[/quote]

During the DE days I used to flag at events. Experienced flaggers are highly skilled. There’d be cars spinning all around the tower and my eyes would be wide as saucers and my only thought was for self preservation…meanwhile there’d be some 70yr old guy next to me radioing to Control precisely what happened to 4 different cars, there colors and numbers, precisely why they went off track, a description of contact, where they ended up and how they got back on track. And he’d do so in an utterly bored voice. Flaggers see more than we realize.

Sure, shit happens, but the flaggers that weekend almost cooked my goose twice, and in my experience that’s pretty darn unusual. If folks don’t find out about screw-ups, no one gets better. Constructive criticism, honestly meant as constructive, is a good thing. If I screwed up I’d want to know about it. From someone other than my wife, I mean.


#38

Nice video… I think that’s me with the lurid slide at 1:37… Definitely part of the 2011 highlight clips


#39

Yep, I saw you sideways at the left side side of the track and decided that entering T1 from mid track had a distinct appeal. At the time I didn’t know there was oil on the track, but the folks in front that had taken the normal line looked to be having problems. So I went for a different line.


#40

Sorry but the slide at 1:37 was me!!