Hawk HT-10 vs. DTC-60

#1

regarding the Hawk HT-10 vs. DTC-60 for E30 fronts.

I tried both, and honestly didn’t notice enough of a difference to pay the extra for the DTC-60 (I don’t think).

But another observation… right now I have DTC-60 on the front, and did notice that the brake dust was hard to get off the wheels. Yes, I know it’s a race car and who cares, but I’ve got some nice Panasport race wheels that I like to be able to clean up for when the car is displayed at car shows between races.

I don’t remember the dust being hard to clean with the HT-10 compound.

Any thoughts?

thanks, Lance Richert

#2

There’s some old threads from a year or two ago re. pad materials. That was a couple obsessions ago. I did a bunch of experiments with different pad materials by putting one pad type at front left, and the other at front right. I wanted to figure out a brake pad torque hierarchy.

As I recall the brake torque of the DTC60 was significatly higher then the HT10. For Hawk it’s:

DTC70>DTC60>HT14>HT10

When I talked to the Hawk engineer he said that the DTC60 used “compression molding” technology that:
–Made the pad last longer.
–Keeps the same brake torque characteristics thru the life of the pad.
–Is less likely to crumble.

I never asked about dust.

#3

The DTC 60 has significantly more bite in my experience, I don’t clean my wheels so I can’t help you there.

#4

Elephant4 wrote:

+1, +1

  • Having dark grey or black wheels will help with the brake dust problem! :wink:
#5

[quote]There’s some old threads from a year or two ago re. pad materials[/quote]http://spece30.com/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,94/func,view/id,37038/catid,3/limit,10/limitstart,0/

basically if you are braking as late as the car can go every time then you will get some fade with HT10s over a normal race length. DTCs are the way to go and we found its actually cheaper to run them because they have about twice the life of HT10s.

#6

OK, not to hijack…BUT…

How do the Performace Frictions compare to the Hawks. I’m talking PF-01 & PF-06.

I have raced for years on Hawks - DT60 on a Grand AM E46 but have been intriqued with the PF. Seth Thomas was all about the PF when he raced with us @ Fountain Motorsports.

#7

IMO the PF-06 is superior.

#8

Lance Richert wrote:

As the resident “clean freak” on Team FASTtech, I’d recommend you use paint sealant on your wheels (or wax them every couple race weekends). Make sure if the brake dust gets wet to clean it off as best as possible before the wheels dry. We’ve have a couple sets of Team Dynamics in hyper-silver that still look brand new after two seasons. We’ve used DTC-60’s the entire time.

#9

[quote]SpeedSmith wrote:
As the resident “clean freak” on Team FASTtech[/quote]

Understatement of the year right there…:stuck_out_tongue:

We’ve stuck with Hawks so far because of the local contingency, otherwise I would be trying PF, Cobalt (everything else I race has these) and that latest Raybestos compound (yeah, I know - couldn’t believe it either).

#10

Good call there!

The funny thing is I don’t care about my DD wheels. LOL

#11

Hey Lance, Tom Hall here. We’ve been running Carbotech XP12 on front and XP10 on rear - and love them! I ran Hawks previously and they felt fine (until I ran Carbotech’s) but they crumbled pretty badly and one of the rear pads bent - I was pretty shocked when I took them apart. Also, priciing on the Carbotech’s is pretty good especially compared to PF’s. Call the guys at Sneed’s Speed Shop and talk with them, they are very familiar with how CT builds their pads. Speak with Chris or Kenneth at 336-923-2044. Say hello to the Hill’s, Bill S., Dale, and everyone out there for me.

#12

I ran Carbotech XP-10 front, XP-8 rear and had OVERCOOLING at VIR (with cooling ducts to the insides of the rotors). It sucked. PFC-01’s were far superior overall. Tried the HT-10’s in the last race and liked them as much as the PFC-01’s, at Mid-Ohio. Just my experience.

#13

What was the indicator of overcooling? How are pads responsible for overcooling?

#14

Ranger wrote:

A pad that wants a higher operating temperature can be overcooled by brake ducts and not reach optimal temperature. The only affect I’ve observed is a lack of braking performance, rather like driving the whole race with the pads feeling like they do on the first lap.

#15

Goes to show you, the right pad is the one the driver likes. There are many good pads out there, the key is to find the right one that fits your driving style. Don’t be shy about trying different pads to fit your style.