2008 Rules

[Proeagles]

Is the reinstallation of the rear interior trim and rear deck panel set in stone for 2008? I built my car (I thought) according to the 2007 rules and have sold off or discarded all of the bits and pieces I didn’t need. It seems a step backwards to require the reinstallation of these pieces. The side trim panels can (have been) be replaced with the .060 aluminum panels just as with the front doors. Logic tells me that the less flamable stuff in the interior the safer the car. It is bad enough that I guessed wrong on the exhaust and used 2" pipe for my dual exhaust because that was real close to the factory size and was what my muffler shop had in stock. Comments?

[leggwork]

why do you think we will be made to put those trim pieces back?
The exhaust rules are not finalized yet per Carter (I wish they were taken out of the published rules until they are finalized!)

thanks,
bruce

[robweenerpi]

I think the exhaust rules are there just to show the intended direction they want to take not to post the actual rules. I think that was the case anyway. To keep those who are creating uber engineered super exhausts from wasting thier money right before the coming season.

[jblack]

leggwork wrote:

why do you think we will be made to put those trim pieces back?

Because he read them like I did, incorrectly, and got flipped out…

Proeagles, read the WHOLE PARAGRAPH, not just the highlighted part. It reverses the meaning. You ARE allowed to remove those parts.

Now you are down to one concern, and it is the only real section in the rules in flux. That is one thing I really like about this series - the rules are generally stable. Nobody is aiming for the nirvana of rules perfection that does not exist. There is discussion over at another series about restructuring an entire class structure. I’ll bet the exhaust thing ends up fine for 99% of folks (as you can’t please everyone).

[jblack]

leggwork wrote:

why do you think we will be made to put those trim pieces back?

Because he read them like I did, incorrectly, and got flipped out…

Proeagles, read the WHOLE PARAGRAPH, not just the highlighted part. It reverses the meaning. You ARE allowed to remove those parts.

Now you are down to one concern (exhaust), and it is the only real section in the rules in flux. That is one thing I really like about this series - the rules are generally stable. Nobody is aiming for the nirvana of rules perfection that does not exist. There is discussion over at another series about restructuring an entire class structure. I’ll bet the exhaust thing ends up fine for 99% of folks (as you can’t please everyone).

[Carter]

Proeagles wrote:

Is the reinstallation of the rear interior trim and rear deck panel set in stone for 2008? I built my car (I thought) according to the 2007 rules and have sold off or discarded all of the bits and pieces I didn’t need. It seems a step backwards to require the reinstallation of these pieces. The side trim panels can (have been) be replaced with the .060 aluminum panels just as with the front doors. Logic tells me that the less flamable stuff in the interior the safer the car. It is bad enough that I guessed wrong on the exhaust and used 2" pipe for my dual exhaust because that was real close to the factory size and was what my muffler shop had in stock. Comments?

For sure, you will not have to put those parts back in the car.

Regarding the exhaust, we are still checking to see what the drivers have on their cars and will make that decision, to be required in 2008, after the National Championship at Mid Ohio.

We want to impact as few drivers as possible (I will have to re-do my exhaust for sure) but we can’t please everyone. And like we have done on other items, looking long-term, this is best for everyone, regarding cost savings and closer racing.

Carter

[scottmc]

Carter wrote:

[quote]Proeagles wrote:

Is the reinstallation of the rear interior trim and rear deck panel set in stone for 2008? I built my car (I thought) according to the 2007 rules and have sold off or discarded all of the bits and pieces I didn’t need. It seems a step backwards to require the reinstallation of these pieces. The side trim panels can (have been) be replaced with the .060 aluminum panels just as with the front doors. Logic tells me that the less flamable stuff in the interior the safer the car. It is bad enough that I guessed wrong on the exhaust and used 2" pipe for my dual exhaust because that was real close to the factory size and was what my muffler shop had in stock. Comments?

For sure, you will not have to put those parts back in the car.

Regarding the exhaust, we are still checking to see what the drivers have on their cars and will make that decision, to be required in 2008, after the National Championship at Mid Ohio.

We want to impact as few drivers as possible (I will have to re-do my exhaust for sure) but we can’t please everyone. And like we have done on other items, looking long-term, this is best for everyone, regarding cost savings and closer racing.

Carter[/quote]

Are the cars at the National Championship in Mid Ohio going to be good representation of all the SE30 cars? Even though the field has filled up a bit, it stills seem as though there are not going to be that many cars. Are you going to be collecting data from any other sources?

I went with what I thought was a conservative set up, and I’m not to thrilled with the idea of changing it again.

FWIW: I have what I’ve seen on many of the cars that are running in the Southeast and Mid-Atlantic regions. Removed cat, pipes that follow the stock path and 2 glass packs in place of the muffler.

[Proeagles]

Thanks for the quick response. I did go back and read the whole paragraph and I am still unclear about the package shelf. My third brake light is attached to the body and not the shelf and so I am assuming that I can leave the shelf out as well. Correct?

[scottmc]

Yes. You can leave the shelf out.

[Carter]

scottmc wrote:

[quote]Carter wrote:

[quote]Proeagles wrote:

Is the reinstallation of the rear interior trim and rear deck panel set in stone for 2008? I built my car (I thought) according to the 2007 rules and have sold off or discarded all of the bits and pieces I didn’t need. It seems a step backwards to require the reinstallation of these pieces. The side trim panels can (have been) be replaced with the .060 aluminum panels just as with the front doors. Logic tells me that the less flamable stuff in the interior the safer the car. It is bad enough that I guessed wrong on the exhaust and used 2" pipe for my dual exhaust because that was real close to the factory size and was what my muffler shop had in stock. Comments?

For sure, you will not have to put those parts back in the car.

Regarding the exhaust, we are still checking to see what the drivers have on their cars and will make that decision, to be required in 2008, after the National Championship at Mid Ohio.

We want to impact as few drivers as possible (I will have to re-do my exhaust for sure) but we can’t please everyone. And like we have done on other items, looking long-term, this is best for everyone, regarding cost savings and closer racing.

Carter[/quote]

Are the cars at the National Championship in Mid Ohio going to be good representation of all the SE30 cars? Even though the field has filled up a bit, it stills seem as though there are not going to be that many cars. Are you going to be collecting data from any other sources?

I went with what I thought was a conservative set up, and I’m not to thrilled with the idea of changing it again.

FWIW: I have what I’ve seen on many of the cars that are running in the Southeast and Mid-Atlantic regions. Removed cat, pipes that follow the stock path and 2 glass packs in place of the muffler.[/quote]

We won’t make any announcements until after the National Championship.

Carter