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Hey all, since we are now building a car I don’t want to get caught in any period of rules change that might affect us. I know the rules change very little so I’m not too worried but it would be stupid to not pay attention during this time. So my question is when are the 2007 rules available? I didn’t search the forum (I suppose I should) but I also did not see a link or anything. Anyone, Carter?
Thanks!
the 2006 rules came out mid-January but there were a bunch of cleanup items to deal with then.
cheers,
bruce
We’ve pretty-much removed the bugs from the Rules. Mike and I have had a casual discussion but nothing serious will change in the Rules.
The formula isn’t absolutely perfect but it’s working well.
Build away!
Carter
Carter wrote:
[quote]We’ve pretty-much removed the bugs from the Rules. Mike and I have had a casual discussion but nothing serious will change in the Rules.
The formula isn’t absolutely perfect but it’s working well.
Build away!
Carter[/quote]
Coolio, thanks. I figured as much but always better safe than sorry!
Cheers.
Carter wrote:
[quote]The formula isn’t absolutely perfect but it’s working well.
Carter[/quote]
I suppose this is the wrong message board to advertise my two sets of factory-supplied basketweave wheels on…
mrussell wrote:
[quote]Carter wrote:
[quote]The formula isn’t absolutely perfect but it’s working well.
Carter[/quote]
I suppose this is the wrong message board to advertise my two sets of factory-supplied basketweave wheels on…[/quote]
There’s a thread on e30tech – someone wants factory 'weaves. Easy $$.
sharkd wrote:
[quote]mrussell wrote:
[quote]Carter wrote:
[quote]The formula isn’t absolutely perfect but it’s working well.
Carter[/quote]
I suppose this is the wrong message board to advertise my two sets of factory-supplied basketweave wheels on…[/quote]
There’s a thread on e30tech – someone wants factory 'weaves. Easy $$.[/quote]
He was trying to make a point about their legality…
and Dan was making a counter-point about them being easy to sell so you can buy legal ones …
mskeen wrote:
[quote]sharkd wrote:
[quote]mrussell wrote:
[quote]Carter wrote:
[quote]The formula isn’t absolutely perfect but it’s working well.
Carter[/quote]
I suppose this is the wrong message board to advertise my two sets of factory-supplied basketweave wheels on…[/quote]
There’s a thread on e30tech – someone wants factory 'weaves. Easy $$.[/quote]
He was trying to make a point about their legality…[/quote]
"Easy-to-sell" ain’t necessarily a valid counterpoint because it doesn’t address the issue. But anyways, sorry for the partial threadjack.
leggwork wrote:
[quote]and Dan was making a counter-point about them being easy to sell so you can buy legal ones …
mskeen wrote:
[quote]sharkd wrote:
[quote]mrussell wrote:
[quote]Carter wrote:
[quote]The formula isn’t absolutely perfect but it’s working well.
Carter[/quote]
I suppose this is the wrong message board to advertise my two sets of factory-supplied basketweave wheels on…[/quote]
There’s a thread on e30tech – someone wants factory 'weaves. Easy $$.[/quote]
He was trying to make a point about their legality…[/quote][/quote]
how doesn’t it address the issue - if you can sell them easily and buy legal wheels (even 15x7 basketweaves if you like that look) ?
I don’t actually see the harm in allowing 14x6.5 (or 15x6.5 which has a ton of wheels available), but given the rules that is the way to address the issue.
cheers,
bruce
mrussell wrote:
[quote]"Easy-to-sell" ain’t necessarily a valid counterpoint because it doesn’t address the issue. But anyways, sorry for the partial threadjack.
leggwork wrote:
[quote]how doesn’t it address the issue - if you can sell them easily and buy legal wheels (even 15x7 basketweaves if you like that look) ?
I don’t actually see the harm in allowing 14x6.5 (or 15x6.5 which has a ton of wheels available), but given the rules that is the way to address the issue.
cheers,
bruce
mrussell wrote:
Well, both Carter and Mike will freely tell you that the rules aren’t perfect, but unless there’s a controlability/safety issue or significant loophole, they’re not going to change – predominantly to set the precedent that the rules don’t change year-to-year and so that costs don’t skyrocket. Now that I’ve seen it in action, I almost whole-heartedly agree with it.
If there was a dearth of wheel options, I could understand the arguments for including factory 14x6.5 weaves, but there’s at least 3 reliable and affordable wheels ('caps, TDs and Koseis). Besides, my 'weaves were heavy, hard to clean and probably a little out of round – I was thrilled to replace them with a set of 13lb wide-spoked wheels. And I was able to get $250 for a very beat-up set.
And to tell the truth, this is SpecE30, not ‘Factory E30.’ 
If you search on this topic, we’ve been over this issue more than once before. I’ve been a vocal whiner before myself. Disallowing the stock "is" basketweaves is illogical, but in the interest of rules stabliity, it will stand. We are blessed with a series and rule set that is working brilliantly, so we just have to embrace this idiosyncracy.
Sasha
I figured I’d bump this thread, since we haven’t yet seen the 2007 revised rules.
Carter, is one of the "bug fixes" the removal of the "multi-panel" specification regarding the interior mirrors?
Thought I would bring this up. The factory rubber clutch line. I replaced mine with a stainless steel line. It’s part of the braking system. The rules don’t specifically say clutch line replacement, just brake lines. I assume it’s okay. Anyhow it was 1/3 the price of the factory rubber hose. $15
Just wondering if the wheels issue is still open?
Reason being, I own a set of the basketweaves that came on the car and since one of the main goals of the series is to keep comp costs down, I’d love to be able to run the basketweaves for rains and purchase a nice lightweight for dry racing. I just don’t see the logic in allowing a 7" rim but not a 6.5?
Again, just my selfish point of view here - I don’t want to buy 8 rims when 4 came with the car.
erupert66 wrote:
It hasn’t been in the 2+ years that I’ve been paying attention to the series.
sharkd wrote:
[quote]erupert66 wrote:
It hasn’t been in the 2+ years that I’ve been paying attention to the series.[/quote]
I do agree that Basketweaves should have been allowed from the beginning…BUT, I think its too late to go back now. A lot of people have already bought their sets os 15x7’s I think it would be unfair at this point to allow the weaves. (by the way, I still need to purchase one more set of wheels)
Brian
Any word yet on when the rules will be out? Seems like the season is starting.
Michael O.
I sent an email to Mike last night (Thursday) about how we will discuss a few small items that we’ll modify in the Rules. But there won’t be any significant changes right now.
Regarding the basketweaves…here’s how we got to this point. Early-on, we expected to require stock wheels. Cheap and durable wheels. And we didn’t want everyone to feel like they had to buy a 6.5" wheel that would give them a slightly wider platform for the tire. Being racers, we knew this would happen and the cost of basketweaves would go up considerably, and the availability would go down. Therefore, we decided to go with bottlecaps for everyone. Basketweaves are not allowed.
Several months later, we realized that most bottlecaps have lived a tough life and most are not straight. And since wheels don’t wear out, we decided to open it up to 15x7 wheels with a minimum weight…but we didn’t want to go back to the basketweaves option.
So, sell the basketweaves (they bring decent money) and buy a set of bottlecaps for rains. You’ll still have about $150.00 left for one rain so you’ll really be buying three rains. And out of the many, many Spec E30 racecars, this only comes up occasionally.
Carter