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Carter, thanks for the update. With enough sense to stay away from the keyboard, I look forward to the results of your testing.
I did not see Robert Allen’s car posted in your response, so I can only caution that the big gap in power he noted needs to be compared on a like dyno to the others. Nonetheless he is racing extremely fast considering that he is down on power. There is no substitute for straightaway talent.
Regards, Robert Patton
Thanks Robert but I’m not looking for sympathy, just hoping for a level playing field next year. I think there are several in my situation. Maybe Al would be nat. champ. with skip’s motor?
FYI I dynoed twice (once in winter once in spring) on a dynojet in richmond both times at 139/141 but I’d be happy to dyno-tech at the track any time.
Besides, if I behave I may have something for you guys in february :evil:
Robert, Jim Pantas has a fresh engine going in to his car this weekend. I think he and Carter have discussed the engine.I look forward to seeing the results of Jim’s investment and the comparison to other engines in the SE.
Before you make your engine selection/investment you’ll want to see how the rules are formulated.From what I read elsewhere Al may have to have a different engine in his car too.
Regards, Robert Patton
allenr wrote:
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FYI I dynoed twice (once in winter once in spring) on a dynojet in richmond both times at 139/141 but I’d be happy to dyno-tech at the track any time.
Besides, if I behave I may have something for you guys in february :evil:[/quote]
I vote you keep you’re tired motor so I can keep you behind me :P. Just for reference at Mid Ohio I know 5hp/10tq difference made about a 1 second a lap difference in laptime for me. I had it dyno’d before and after I fixed a throttle cable that wasn’t opening all the way. Carter I’ll send you me latest dyno sheet so you can add to the numbers.
As many of you may already know, there are many environmental and situational factors which play a role in dyno results. Therefore, I believe it is even more important for everyone to take the opportunity to dyno at the track with others. I was not in the top four, so I had to pay $85 to get my results at Summit but I believe it was a good choice due to the fact that I could compare against others within the same general factors (i.e. same dyno, same environmental factors).
I had just finished a head job and was hoping for good numbers but my horse power & torque was down from the competitive cars. I also learned that the car was running very rich (as low as 12.4 air to fuel ratio) so that may be a culprit. My max HP was 149.1 and max torque was 141.2. The car doesn’t skip a beat and runs smooth so I’m hoping the tuning advice I received from people like Mike Skeen, Paul Poore and Ziggy will help the numbers (at least with the torque).
As competitive as a person that I am with almost everything I do, I still cannot say I’m upset with the dyno numbers. I agree with Robert Allen’s comments. For me, being out in the paddock with my fellow racers, prepping the car and working on my driving skills it what does it for me. HOWEVER, I do believe it’s important that a maximum allowable HP and torque are determined for the series. That’s the point of a spec class right? Nobody fancy’s being the one to protest that someone has done illegal work to their engine or drive train but its got to be managed some how. I don’t know what the numbers will be but it’s also important that a lot of thought goes into the limit so it doesn’t limit those that are staying within the spec but spending more time tuning. Maybe an average is taken then there’s a cushion of 3-5HP & torque just to play it safe for those that are in fact staying within the rules. Let the rest play out with the racing skills. A 10-12HP & torque difference from the top runners is a concern though.
Also, I’ve attached my dyno results for everyone to see.
I payed my $85 and dynoed at the track as well. first pull was 144 HP. third pull (with car warmed up) 141hp 150 torque. Evryone seems to out pull me down the straights. Not bitching here but I am looking for help. The car has a fresh engine, built by Abicus racing and installed over the winter. Could I be losing power thru the drive train? I have changed everything from injectors to wires +++ under the hood. Help!!!
Thats one reason I want to see this resolved sooner rather than later.
Wouldn’t want to unload a few K and then find out I have to run a nascar restrictor plate :pinch:
View from mid pack: First, just want to say what a great time I had at SP, and have had over this first season with Spec E30.
The racing up front, has been wild and I am sure greatly
appreciated by whoever is watching, which is what we need to bring more drivers into the fold. I had a fun time on Sat. Got a good start as you can see in R Allen’s video. I knew he was by me once I touched my breaks into 10. I got hussled by Scott F the rest of the way and would have finished ahead of him had not a 944 come to my inside at 10 forcing me to take a too too wide line off the exit. Scott and I mixed it up on Sunday…now that boy is crazy…tried me 2x outbreaking in 1 and tried to make it 3 wide into 10…we both had a good laugh after the race.
As to the HP discussion…I agree with Justin, this is a Spec class and so why shouldn’t HP be Spec as well.
Thanks to all for the comments.
Yes, we want to be extremely careful with this part of the Rules. We don’t want a legal engine to be disqualified. And as we have said before, do not spend a lot of money on a questionable mod…because it might get taken away.
We’re getting more good numbers and I’m thinking that we should have a program by the end of this season. I know you guys want it asap (and I want to get it done too!) but it has to be done correctly.
For now, it looks like virtually all the cars tested will pass.
I have had meetings with several, well-known engine builders and while this hasn’t been done before in any other club series that I know about, I do think it’s the right thing to do for the series.
We’ll do our best and I have confidence that while it may need some minor tweaking in the beginning, it will be a good thing for Spec E30.
Carter
Carter wrote:
[quote]Race Report
Sunday - I made changes to the car to get the rear to stay more planted and moved up one position in qualifying, to 5th. I got a decent start from 4th position (Skip Bennett started last due to being 26 pounds underweight in qualifying) [/quote]
Skip also raced a different car on Sunday from Sat.
That was his back up car :ohmy:
Trust me, it had as much if not more juice than his other one.