Roll Cage is IN

#21

Accckkk! Be careful of starting down that slippery slope. I’m sure Mike Mills will keep you guys in line! One of my long-term desires is to be able to fly into a cool track, rent a spec e30 car and have the same experience racing as I would in my local area so it is important for spec e30 to be consistent nationwide. A local group should not get together and decide "we’ll do it this way here".

stepping down off my soapbox now…
bruce

traqrat wrote:

[quote]
As for protests, I wouldn’t worry too much. I’ve already got a "gentleman’s agreement" with some of the local NorCal SpecE30-in-the-works guys not to protest each other on stupid non-performance stuff. So, we should be safe for a little while.Post edited by: traqrat, at: 2005/11/18 13:28[/quote]

#22

I’ll keep quiet, other than saying that I continue to believe that the series would grow faster out here in CA if we were allowed to make these cars more competitive with the other cars we race with.

#23

sdais wrote:

The series will grow faster when people realize they DON’T have to spend all tha t money to be competitive with the other cars, that they can have more fun with less money with SpecE30. Opening it up just makes you the lateset and greatest place to spend money in a race of the checkbooks.

Other racers will notice that the cars don’t break, usually start, are easy on equipment, are cheap to build and run, AND they have some of the best races on track.

Spectators never fail to show up after races exclaiming that was some of the closest racing they have ever seen after a SpecE30 race. That in an of itself will grow a series. It is what pushed me over the edge to build a car.

All it takes is some brave individuals to stay at it and preach the message. Soon others will see the wisdom and SpecE30 will be taking drivers from THE OTHER classes.

That is why Carter has been so good for the series. He is willing to talk to everyone who wanders in the pits to sell the car to them. He maintains a hard line on rules creep and he shows you how it is done with some spectacular racing.

Believe in SpecE30…it works.

Lots of places to go spend lots of money to play with fast cars. VERY few places to spend such a small amount of money and have such a good time in "reasonably" fast cars.

JMNSHO

Ric

#24

Excellent points. And I do agree with you that the reasonably low cost is a major selling point for spec e30. And I do continue to do my best to promote the series out here, both by word of mouth & by offering up my car to potential future racers to take for test drives around the track. (Everyone who has taken me up on that, by the way, has been very impressed with the performance of the car.) And I’ve gotten to the point where I am racing my almost-spec car competitively with many of the other cars on the track (I’ve switched to 225’s, dropped in a chip, and have been racing in GTS instead of spec this fall). I’m sure that a significant portion of my increased competitiveness over the last 6 months is simply due to improved driving skills & building confidence in the car. However, in my humble opinion, I think these reasonably low $$ deviations from spec have helped as well.

I’ll shut up now, as I’ve brought this up before without warm reception & there’s no need to do it again. :slight_smile:

I’m seriously looking forward to hopefully getting 4-5 spec cars on the track out here next summer - its starting to sound like that will happen!! Of course I’m assuming I’ll beat all oncomers…

#25

traqrat wrote:

[quote]
As for protests, I wouldn’t worry too much. I’ve already got a "gentleman’s agreement" with some of the local NorCal SpecE30-in-the-works guys not to protest each other on stupid non-performance stuff. So, we should be safe for a little while.Post edited by: traqrat, at: 2005/11/18 13:28[/quote]

There’s no question that some cars are not 100% legal on non-performance parts.

But we’re careful not to openly discuss these things because it might then lead to agreements on other parts of the cars.

Steve is racing his car in GTS with non-Spec E30 performance enhancing parts because he (understandably) wants to race with other cars. But when a few others build Spec E30 cars and start racing with him, he won’t care what size tires he has, or what kind of chip he has in the car. He’ll just want to beat the other Spec E30 drivers, regardless of their lap times compared to other classes.

It’s interesting how so many people have wondered about this rule or that rule but when they build cars and come racing, there is almost no discussion about tire sizes or chips. As a matter of fact, I can’t recall a single comment or question about these, while at the track. Everyone is so happy with the reliability, performance, and close racing of the cars, they don’t think about spending more money to make all the cars equally faster. But everyone thinks about how they can drive faster, that’s for sure. Tire size? Who cares? I just want to shave a tenth off my lap times compared to the other 14 Spec E30 cars.

And that’s what Spec E30 is all about. Your personal performance.

Carter

#26

Carter wrote:

[quote]traqrat wrote:

[quote]

Steve is racing his car in GTS with non-Spec E30 performance enhancing parts because he (understandably) wants to race with other cars. But when a few others build Spec E30 cars and start racing with him, he won’t care what size tires he has, or what kind of chip he has in the car. He’ll just want to beat the other Spec E30 drivers, regardless of their lap times compared to other classes.

Carter[/quote]

Carter - very well said, that’s exactly where I’m coming from, and exactly what I’ll do when some more spec cars show up!

#27

I need a cage as well and I am looking for good builders in the Mid-Atlantic. I live in Richmond, but I am willing to drive a little to get a good cage. How do I contact TCDesign? How much did your cage cost? How long did it take?

Thanks,
ActionJunky

#28

I need a cage. How do I contact TC Designs? How much did it cost? How long did it take?

Thanks in advance.

ActionJunky

#29

ED Davidson has my car…cage was built by Two Sons. Phone number is on the cage. Cage Builder name is Brian Kotosek (sp?) and he is in south Richmond.

Does Lots of Miata Cages.

Ed can you post the phone number from the sticker on the cage?

Ric

Post edited by: 30SpecE30, at: 2006/01/21 19:04

#30

[quote]I need a cage as well and I am looking for good builders in the Mid-Atlantic. I live in Richmond, but I am willing to drive a little to get a good cage. How do I contact TCDesign? How much did your cage cost? How long did it take?

Thanks,
ActionJunky [/quote]

I am in California, and so is TC Design, so it might be a bit of a drive :slight_smile:
website is
http://www.tcdesignfab.com

Cage was $1600

regards,
Igor

#31

ActionJunky wrote:

[quote]I need a cage as well and I am looking for good builders in the Mid-Atlantic. I live in Richmond, but I am willing to drive a little to get a good cage. How do I contact TCDesign? How much did your cage cost? How long did it take?

Thanks,
ActionJunky[/quote]

I had Chris Schimmel www.competitioncages.com in Hillsborough, NC build my cage… took about a week, all-told, the total cost was ~$1200.

Post edited by: sharkd, at: 2006/01/22 20:12